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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:59 pm 
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Wasn't there some Robin Hood Charity thing that tickets were like $250? Great for the charity- horrible for the fans- except the ones that can afford it.


What was the entrance fee again for the Chicago, House of Blues 05 show? Katrina fundraiser I believe.

I want to say that was pretty reasonable, because the only reason my wife and I didn't get to go was because her mother was in town.



because she was displaced for 8 weeks by.. Katrina



Do you think she would have preferred that Pearl Jam keep the ticket prices high, permit only rich people in, and raise more money for the disaster? Or would she rather have had them drop the ticket prices, raise less money for Katrina, and "keep it real" with their fans?

The idea that they anything should be considered for a charity event other than what's best for the charity seems pretty idiotic.



By making special moments only available to the wealthiest of their fans, regardless of the reason, they are playing into a class system they have rallied so vocally against. How about do 10 special shows for $100 a piece for the charity?


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I had some friends at that robin hood show and they really dont think Pj will ever do anything like that ever again. The crowd were horriffic rich types who just drank and talked all the way through the show. Whether or not the band noticed onstage I p[ersonally don't know but frinds of mine that were present said they wouldn't attend anything like it again. A free bar at a gig is never a good idea.

Do a couple of shows in a bigger place accessible to all your fanbase not just some rich people who are just there to drink. More money for the charity involved.

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A lot of words in this thread, team.

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I remember the House of Blues Katrina show tickets being wicked expensive, maybe I'm wrong.


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I remember the House of Blues Katrina show tickets being wicked expensive, maybe I'm wrong.


weren't they $1000?

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i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?


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i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?

Yeah, we are.
If they were being selfless, why didn't they just do ten shows with $100 tickets, instead of one show with $1000 tickets?


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Skitch Patterson wrote:
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i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?

Yeah, we are.
If they were being selfless, why didn't they just do ten shows with $100 tickets, instead of one show with $1000 tickets?



Because they have the ability..they are in a position to do a show and charge lots of money and give a shit ton of money to a good cause.

And...most of their shows....their 100 tickets....with 20,000 plus people....they give to charity so...?

Now this is just getting ridiculous. If they sold viagra to get stone a sex change...then we can draw a line...but this...again..is a non issue


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62strat wrote:
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i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?

Yeah, we are.
If they were being selfless, why didn't they just do ten shows with $100 tickets, instead of one show with $1000 tickets?



Because they have the ability..they are in a position to do a show and charge lots of money and give a shit ton of money to a good cause.

And...most of their shows....their 100 tickets....with 20,000 plus people....they give to charity so...?

Now this is just getting ridiculous. If they sold viagra to get stone a sex change...then we can draw a line...but this...again..is a non issue



and also..doing 10 shows..is takingall the guitar techs and engineers out from their business, other bands they do work for, their fmailies..and thus have to pay them for their time as well. Those people cannot afford to give all proceeds to charity. Karie Keyes is not a millionare.

Andy Savage...not rich. I've seen his guitar shop. He's fixed my amp.


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62strat wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
62strat wrote:
i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?

Yeah, we are.
If they were being selfless, why didn't they just do ten shows with $100 tickets, instead of one show with $1000 tickets?



Because they have the ability..they are in a position to do a show and charge lots of money and give a shit ton of money to a good cause.

And...most of their shows....their 100 tickets....with 20,000 plus people....they give to charity so...?

Now this is just getting ridiculous. If they sold viagra to get stone a sex change...then we can draw a line...but this...again..is a non issue



The point is, and the charity show was just part of the point strat, that at some point they began turning their fans into "haves" and "have nots" by making special moments available only to those that can afford it.


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Skitch Patterson wrote:
62strat wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
62strat wrote:
i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?

Yeah, we are.
If they were being selfless, why didn't they just do ten shows with $100 tickets, instead of one show with $1000 tickets?



Because they have the ability..they are in a position to do a show and charge lots of money and give a shit ton of money to a good cause.

And...most of their shows....their 100 tickets....with 20,000 plus people....they give to charity so...?

Now this is just getting ridiculous. If they sold viagra to get stone a sex change...then we can draw a line...but this...again..is a non issue



The point is, and the charity show was just part of the point strat, that at some point they began turning their fans into "haves" and "have nots" by making special moments available only to those that can afford it.


If you want to argue that charing 70 bucks (or whatever it is) for aregular show is turning their fans into "haves" and "have nots" then make a different argument. However, that wont hold any water.

They played this show at the house of blues knowing full well it would be the haves...and they raped them for their money to give to charity. No problem whatsoever.


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62strat wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
62strat wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
62strat wrote:
i know this just makes me more of a fanboy...but this also makes others the complete opposite...

But are we really bringing up expensive tickets for one of the biggest natural disasters in our countries history as a reason for this?

Yeah, we are.
If they were being selfless, why didn't they just do ten shows with $100 tickets, instead of one show with $1000 tickets?



Because they have the ability..they are in a position to do a show and charge lots of money and give a shit ton of money to a good cause.

And...most of their shows....their 100 tickets....with 20,000 plus people....they give to charity so...?

Now this is just getting ridiculous. If they sold viagra to get stone a sex change...then we can draw a line...but this...again..is a non issue



The point is, and the charity show was just part of the point strat, that at some point they began turning their fans into "haves" and "have nots" by making special moments available only to those that can afford it.


If you want to argue that charing 70 bucks (or whatever it is) for aregular show is turning their fans into "haves" and "have nots" then make a different argument. However, that wont hold any water.

They played this show at the house of blues knowing full well it would be the haves...and they raped them for their money to give to charity. No problem whatsoever.



You really think, in spite of all that they have shown over time, thats what happened?
Its okay to overcharge because people can afford it and you're giving it to a good cause?
Its okay to, in your words "rape them for their money"?


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Guys, im soaking in the butter of 62strats idealism. They charged $1000 a ticket for a one night show so they could RAPE THE HAVES for their money, and so their amp tech could get back to business.


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I'm with strat on the benefit show.

If the band were to play regular "special" smaller shows with $1000 tickets to line their own pockets then you might have a point, Skitch.


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I'm with strat on the benefit show.

If the band were to play regular "special" smaller shows with $1000 tickets to line their own pockets then you might have a point, Skitch.


read the last 2 pages spenno, please show me where i made that a big deal. please.


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Guys, im soaking in the butter of 62strats idealism. They charged $1000 a ticket for a one night show so they could RAPE THE HAVES for their money, and so their amp tech could get back to business.



Chargin Meg Ryan 1,000 for a ticket thats going to a good cause? Yea thats ok. That it is like 10 bucks to them

I was in line at starbucks the other day and was speaking with a woman. She found out i was a real estate appraiser. She went on talking about how her friend just sold his condo in beaver creek for $10,000,000. She went on saying how that was a steal and couldnt believe how cheap it was...just cause it was ont he market for a year...originally listed at $19 MIllion. She also said you can practically steal a home in the Hamptons.


She wasn't even smug about it. It was just her perception, her life.

You aren't even being realistic right now skitch. They are charging market prices for their tickets. Yea, they played an expensive gig to a certain class of people...it was for charity. Why is this even bothering you?

Have their ticket prices gone up? Yes. Are they still "market" yes. Is that somewhat frustrating coming from a band who championed lower ticket prices? Yes.

You made abig deal about it by making a "basking in the glow of..." blah blah personal comment. that was what i call...an "emotional" response.


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also, i didnt say they did it to make sure their employees were ok...

Im saying...going out on tour and charging even extra for tickets to give to katrina (which would no question piss off you as well) would be much more expensive and less charity giving..then putting on a show at the house of blues to rich people...


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62strat wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
Guys, im soaking in the butter of 62strats idealism. They charged $1000 a ticket for a one night show so they could RAPE THE HAVES for their money, and so their amp tech could get back to business.



Chargin Meg Ryan 1,000 for a ticket thats going to a good cause? Yea thats ok. That it is like 10 bucks to them

I was in line at starbucks the other day and was speaking with a woman. She found out i was a real estate appraiser. She went on talking about how her friend just sold his condo in beaver creek for $10,000,000. She went on saying how that was a steal and couldnt believe how cheap it was...just cause it was ont he market for a year...originally listed at $19 MIllion. She also said you can practically steal a home in the Hamptons.


She wasn't even smug about it. It was just her perception, her life.

You aren't even being realistic right now skitch. They are charging market prices for their tickets. Yea, they played an expensive gig to a certain class of people...it was for charity. Why is this even bothering you?

Have their ticket prices gone up? Yes. Are they still "market" yes. Is that somewhat frustrating coming from a band who championed lower ticket prices? Yes.

You made abig deal about it by making a "basking in the glow of..." blah blah personal comment. that was what i call...an "emotional" response.


Why are you so focused on one line of an entire post strat? I didn't even bring up the Katrina show, cause i dont think i ever even saw the regular ticket price- i thought they were like $60 bucks. I brought up that robin hood show or something.
The fact remains, regardless of where the money went, shows were billed as special and made available only to those who could truly afford it. Creating a Have and Have Not ability to be a part of something special.

I would say your post about "raping them for their money" (which makes it sound like some scheme) is far more damning about who pearl jam are as people than anything anyone else has complained about.


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i asked a question about the katrina gig...or whatever benefit show.....being an issue..and you responsed heavily about it...thus making it seem you were passionate about it.


If i could fuck a rich person over for their money for a good cause i would.

In fact, i have some school debt that needs to be paid and that bitch i talked to in line for 10 minutes didnt even buy my coffee. her biggest concern in life was getting a private jet so she didnt have to wait in line at the airport.

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i asked a question about the katrina gig...or whatever benefit show.....being an issue..and you responsed heavily about it...thus making it seem you were passionate about it.


If i could fuck a rich person over for their money for a good cause i would.

In fact, i have some school debt that needs to be paid and that bitch i talked to in line for 10 minutes didnt even buy my coffee. her biggest concern in life was getting a private jet so she didnt have to wait in line at the airport.

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