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light_years62103 wrote:
Cal Varnsen wrote:
i think this album was leaps and bounds better than Ten or Vs., but that being said i'm still not a big fan of it. the production was definitely much better on this one, so i'm happy that it was able to set the stage for the epic No Code.
as far as the tracks, i absolutely love immortality, and last exit is a pretty sweet album opener, but other than that, most of the tracks are mediocre at best for me. i can't stand betterman or nothingman. stbc, tremor christ, not for you, and corduroy are alright i guess, but if i listen to a boot, i skip over them every time. satans bed, bugs, and the filler tracks i dont really have an opinion on. i dont like them, but i dont hate them either.
I have to echo what's been said earlier in the thread. Please don't take this the wrong way, but what PJ songs are "your kind of songs"? What kinds of things make you a big fan of the band?
haha, we must not have met yet. you'll get to know me soon enough.
to answer your question...pretty much anything on yield, no code, binaural, and riot act.
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Cal Varnsen wrote:
light_years62103 wrote:
Cal Varnsen wrote:
i think this album was leaps and bounds better than Ten or Vs., but that being said i'm still not a big fan of it. the production was definitely much better on this one, so i'm happy that it was able to set the stage for the epic No Code.
as far as the tracks, i absolutely love immortality, and last exit is a pretty sweet album opener, but other than that, most of the tracks are mediocre at best for me. i can't stand betterman or nothingman. stbc, tremor christ, not for you, and corduroy are alright i guess, but if i listen to a boot, i skip over them every time. satans bed, bugs, and the filler tracks i dont really have an opinion on. i dont like them, but i dont hate them either.
I have to echo what's been said earlier in the thread. Please don't take this the wrong way, but what PJ songs are "your kind of songs"? What kinds of things make you a big fan of the band?
haha, we must not have met yet. you'll get to know me soon enough.
to answer your question...pretty much anything on yield, no code, binaural, and riot act.
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I think if you want to truly enjoy this album, you have to listen to the vinyl, it sounds so raw and incredible, no skipping songs, listen to it beginning to end, and it is incredible (certain substances will increase the enjoyment level).
I like this "Major Flaw" thread series, although this is my first post in one. I also think that when there is so much more exciting, positive, and uplifting news going around, there needs to be a good sticky thread that emphasizes negative album traits, hence keeping all the negative members happy during this time of rejoice.
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if the point of this album was to give a big fuck you to execs, it's sort of ironic they put on better man and it was a huge hit for the execs, no?
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if the point of this album was to give a big fuck you to execs, it's sort of ironic they put on better man and it was a huge hit for the execs, no?
I don't think the band was functioning enough to be making calculated statements between 94 and 96. That might be why those two records feel like the most ethereal, the most liquid....they other albums are like band records, Who records in some ways....those two are the most Neil Young in that they just sort of happened, and the fact that Pearl Jam was there when they happened is secondary.
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Jammer91 wrote:
yeah but Eddie said the song was about something personal though
still, if the whole point of the album was a 'fuck you, we've had enough, take this' but one song on the album was huge and made the rest big, doesn't that song make it the flaw of the album?
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
Jammer91 wrote:
yeah but Eddie said the song was about something personal though
still, if the whole point of the album was a 'fuck you, we've had enough, take this' but one song on the album was huge and made the rest big, doesn't that song make it the flaw of the album?
the point wasn't to make something unlistenable. that's a fuck you to fans as well. the point was to do it on terms defined by themselves.
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stip wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
Jammer91 wrote:
yeah but Eddie said the song was about something personal though
still, if the whole point of the album was a 'fuck you, we've had enough, take this' but one song on the album was huge and made the rest big, doesn't that song make it the flaw of the album?
the point wasn't to make something unlistenable. that's a fuck you to fans as well. the point was to do it on terms defined by themselves.
i realize that, but pearl jam was sick of attention and wanted no more, yet put out the poppiest song they've ever had. it's the flaw because it did the opposite of what they wanted the album to do.
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
stip wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
Jammer91 wrote:
yeah but Eddie said the song was about something personal though
still, if the whole point of the album was a 'fuck you, we've had enough, take this' but one song on the album was huge and made the rest big, doesn't that song make it the flaw of the album?
the point wasn't to make something unlistenable. that's a fuck you to fans as well. the point was to do it on terms defined by themselves.
i realize that, but pearl jam was sick of attention and wanted no more, yet put out the poppiest song they've ever had. it's the flaw because it did the opposite of what they wanted the album to do.
I'm sorry--I'm just not with you on this one. Corduroy is catchy as hell to. They didn't promote betterman or use it to market the album. They just put it on there.
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if the point of this album was to give a big fuck you to execs, it's sort of ironic they put on better man and it was a huge hit for the execs, no?
I don't think the band was functioning enough to be making calculated statements between 94 and 96. That might be why those two records feel like the most ethereal, the most liquid....they other albums are like band records, Who records in some ways....those two are the most Neil Young in that they just sort of happened, and the fact that Pearl Jam was there when they happened is secondary.
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McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
if the point of this album was to give a big fuck you to execs, it's sort of ironic they put on better man and it was a huge hit for the execs, no?
I don't think the band was functioning enough to be making calculated statements between 94 and 96. That might be why those two records feel like the most ethereal, the most liquid....they other albums are like band records, Who records in some ways....those two are the most Neil Young in that they just sort of happened, and the fact that Pearl Jam was there when they happened is secondary.
How did my reply end up above your post?
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i'll give it a last try.
ed and co. decided to put out vitalogy as a 'fuck you' to the higher ups and everyone else. this was the end of them dealing with those people. they took direct blows at them with bugs, not for you and corduroy.
but what happens? better man is the poppiest song ever, and execs and radio hosts play it every gosh darn second. in turn, pearl jam remains huge and revered by mtvers and z100ers.
so, instead of their album saying 'fuck you' to these people, it said 'here's a really good pop song, go make money off of us!'
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if the point of this album was to give a big fuck you to execs, it's sort of ironic they put on better man and it was a huge hit for the execs, no?
I don't think the band was functioning enough to be making calculated statements between 94 and 96. That might be why those two records feel like the most ethereal, the most liquid....they other albums are like band records, Who records in some ways....those two are the most Neil Young in that they just sort of happened, and the fact that Pearl Jam was there when they happened is secondary.
How did my reply end up above your post?
gremlins
Well, DUH. But what kind? the kind Bugs Bunny faced, or the kind that happen when you don't care for your goddamn mogwai?
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
if anyone flips on 'bugs' as a flaw on this album, i'll go nuts. besides 'corduroy', 'bugs' is the defining song on this album.
I'm buying what you're selling.
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ed and co. decided to put out vitalogy as a 'fuck you' to the higher ups and everyone else. this was the end of them dealing with those people. they took direct blows at them with bugs, not for you and corduroy.
but what happens? better man is the poppiest song ever, and execs and radio hosts play it every gosh darn second. in turn, pearl jam remains huge and revered by mtvers and z100ers.
so, instead of their album saying 'fuck you' to these people, it said 'here's a really good pop song, go make money off of us!'
Dude, seriously, wind your fucking neck in. You've made a half dozen posts about this over four pages.
So what if it's a pop song? It has a catchy melody yet it deals about a destructive relationship. Are you saying they should have made every song wilfully uncommercial? Betterman is no more catchy than Corduroy, Hail, Hail or I Am Mine anyway.
You do know that part of being in a band is playing good music, rather than bopping about telling people to go fuck themselves, don't you?
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stuzzo wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
i'll give it a last try.
ed and co. decided to put out vitalogy as a 'fuck you' to the higher ups and everyone else. this was the end of them dealing with those people. they took direct blows at them with bugs, not for you and corduroy.
but what happens? better man is the poppiest song ever, and execs and radio hosts play it every gosh darn second. in turn, pearl jam remains huge and revered by mtvers and z100ers.
so, instead of their album saying 'fuck you' to these people, it said 'here's a really good pop song, go make money off of us!'
Dude, seriously, wind your fucking neck in. You've made a half dozen posts about this over four pages.
So what if it's a pop song? It has a catchy melody yet it deals about a destructive relationship. Are you saying they should have made every song wilfully uncommercial? Betterman is no more catchy than Corduroy, Hail, Hail or I Am Mine anyway.
You do know that part of being in a band is playing good music, rather than bopping about telling people to go fuck themselves, don't you?
what makes vitalogy so good is that it was able to tell certain people to go fuck themselves in the context of good music.
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stuzzo wrote:
stip wrote:
what makes vitalogy so good is that it was able to tell certain people to go fuck themselves in the context of good music.
I agree.
It's in my top 5 albums of all time. It is, imo, their greatest work. This new album is going to have to be really good to get anywhere near the levels of Vitalogy.
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