Post subject: a question for the lawyers (PJ related)
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:35 am
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How the hell are torrent sites like oink not illegal?
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jurd99 wrote:
Simple_Torture wrote:
PS: I am not a lawyer, I'm an alcoholic.
Hi there Colleague
It's a lot easier than being a lawyer, huh? You don't have to pass an exam or anything, just puke in your own shoes or pee in your hamper and you're in.
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It's a lot easier than being a lawyer, huh? You don't have to pass an exam or anything, just puke in your own shoes or pee in your hamper and you're in.
I would say yes I do that too but I can't remember.
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Simple_Torture wrote:
I'm pretty sure they are.
"ARE YOU OR WERE YOU EVER A MEMBER OF OINK?"
my downloading habits will cost me a run at the presidency in 20 years. Unless at that point it's like admitting you smoked pot.
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my downloading habits will cost me a run at the presidency in 20 years. Unless at that point it's like admitting you smoked pot.
FBI agent: Did you or did you not downloaded stuff out of Oink.
Stip: I swear to god I did NOT downloaded anything. I swear
FBI agent: we have a mega DL historic 6000 device which proves you did
Stip: well.....just one time...I was experimenting....
FBI agent: You were an active member of some "bitches" organization and you know how that end up.
Stip: I did not participate in that. If Stone and all his bitches killed Ed that was their problem. I did not participate....
FBI agent: TELL US THE TRUTH
Stip: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
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Simple_Torture wrote:
jurd99 wrote:
Simple_Torture wrote:
PS: I am not a lawyer, I'm an alcoholic.
Hi there Colleague
It's a lot easier than being a lawyer, huh? You don't have to pass an exam or anything, just puke in your own shoes or pee in your hamper and you're in.
i've pissed in my own puke. does that count?
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They are still technically illegal. I see that some individuals have been prosecuted for simply DL-ing from such sites, but I believe they are a rarity. Its mainly the providers or sites themselves that are bearing the real risk.
I am a lawyer, but this isn't the area I practice, and I am not very good anyway.
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Last edited by bgarvey44 on Wed May 31, 2006 4:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
Oink gets around alot because A) it's based in the UK. Piratesbay.org is based in Sweden and from the notices that guy posts, it seems that International Law is kinda funny or at least complicates the copyright infringement issues. So maybe being in the UK, Oink is able to skirt some of the more typical entanglements. Also because it's invite-only, Oink enables to help prevent a lot of lurkers from getting access to see what's up there. I think those two issues off the bat help to prevent 90% of the legal retributions that shut similar torrent sites down. Honestly, I think it's only a matter of time before Oink gets it.
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bgarvey44 wrote:
They are still technically illegal as far as I know. I see that some individuals have been prosecuted for simply DL-ing from such sites, but I believe they are a rarity. Its mainly the providers or sites themselves that are bearing the real risk.
I am a lawyer, but this isn't the area I practice, and I am not very good anyway.
at least you are honest about the shit coming out of your mouth
my downloading habits will cost me a run at the presidency in 20 years. Unless at that point it's like admitting you smoked pot.
FBI agent: Did you or did you not downloaded stuff out of Oink. Stip: I swear to god I did NOT downloaded anything. I swear FBI agent: we have a mega DL historic 6000 device which proves you did Stip: well.....just one time...I was experimenting.... FBI agent: You were an active member of some "bitches" organization and you know how that end up. Stip: I did not participate in that. If Stone and all his bitches killed Ed that was their problem. I did not participate.... FBI agent: TELL US THE TRUTH Stip: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Ahhhhhhhh the future.....how many memories!
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only a 2l. but my understanding is that making copies of anything, for anyone, is pretty much fine, as long as you dont sell copyrighted materials. now, making available to copy seems an unresolved issue. we know how the record companies want this to go. see the xm suit currently happening. the record companies should fuck off. just becuase they havent made a cent over the last few years does not meant they should be able to change the laws drastically.
anyone should be permitted to copy anything to give and use as long as its not sold. record companies need to sack up and work on enforcement, rather than trying to change precedent.
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CitizenByron wrote:
Oink gets around alot because A) it's based in the UK. Piratesbay.org is based in Sweden and from the notices that guy posts, it seems that International Law is kinda funny or at least complicates the copyright infringement issues. So maybe being in the UK, Oink is able to skirt some of the more typical entanglements. Also because it's invite-only, Oink enables to help prevent a lot of lurkers from getting access to see what's up there. I think those two issues off the bat help to prevent 90% of the legal retributions that shut similar torrent sites down. Honestly, I think it's only a matter of time before Oink gets it.
I think that you might be right about Oink or any other sites because Pirate Bay has been shut down.
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i have no clue but the site pulls me in different directions one yeah i can get stuff for free which the word FREE always sounds good to someone broke as i am but after a download i do feel dirty
there are so many torrent sites and the internet is just geting faster and faster and hard drives are geting out of this world in size i have no clue how anybody makes any money at all in music.
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tremorman wrote:
i have no clue but the site pulls me in different directions one yeah i can get stuff for free which the word FREE always sounds good to someone broke as i am but after a download i do feel dirty there are so many torrent sites and the internet is just geting faster and faster and hard drives are geting out of this world in size i have no clue how anybody makes any money at all in music.
I download tons from Oink. I buy tons of albums. My conscience is at ease.
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