I'm curious. I have opinions on this, but for now I would rather see what everyone else thinks.

If Kurt would still be around today, would Nirvana still be together, and if so, how do you think their music would rate? How do you think it would have changed? Would it have evolved like PJ's? Would it still have the same impact, or would they have been pushed slightly aside like other's?

As long as Dave Grohl didn't write any of the songs, Nirvana would still be good.

Edit: I think the music would have slowed down a lot, at least for a while: wasn't Kurt talking about writing a lot of acoustic songs and working with Michael Stipe right at the end there?

Kurt could not possibly have matured his songwriting without being looked at as a hypocrite and a fool, but he would look fucking stupid playing songs from Nevermind to aging grungers at 40. He woulda quit the biz...or looked lame. Kurt was not the Ramones, and he was not Pearl Jam. His style, love it or leave it (I'll leave it, thanks), would not have survived maturity well.

Hopefully Kurt still wouldn't be screaming so much, but singing more. Personally I doubt they would still be together, but if they were, in my opinion, they would not be as well developed a band as Pearl Jam.

I kinda feel this way as well. I think what they did was huge....at the time. But it quickly fell apart. Pearl jam was selling 950,000 copies of VS in the first week to Nirvana's 150,000 on their last album. I respect kurt alot, nut I don't feel there ever was any longevity, even when they were so big.

I feel alot of the time things grow far beyond their importance through things like a death etc.

That's not trying to take anything away from them, but Pearl Jam is the far more well rounded band.

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I would venture to guess that Nirvana might have had 1-2 albums left in them. At that point Kurt probably would have had a solo career somewhat similar to Mark Lanegan's. He also talked of starting his own record label, which probably would have been pretty neat.

I really do think Kurt had a lot of great material left in him, but he would have benefitted greatly from being out from under the Nirvana microscope.

Interesting observation.

Yeah, even 1-2 albums is probably a stretch. From what i've read in a few of the recent Cobain biographies, it seems the band was ready to implode by the end.

So in answer to the question originally posed in the thread, there is no way in hell that Nirvana would be out there touring today if Kurt hadn't killed himself. Pearl Jam would still be the only remaining 'grunge' band.

AIC are back. We have 2 'grunge' bands again.

it isn't the same without Layne

no doubt.

but they are a 'grunge' band.

Whatever happened to Mudhoney? Ah, yes. They've just released their new album, and it fuckin' rocks. Correct me if I'm wrong, were those guys not a band before Nirvana or PJ? Who cares? If it hadn't been for nirvana, this/ forum thread wouldn't have existed.

They most definetly were NOT back then. Ed was a fucktard...He has changed, and they have evolved. If it wasnt for Matt, you can kiss PJ goodbye.

Do I think Nirvana would still be together? No, but I dont think it any different Kurt being in his 40s and crowd surfing VS Ed climbing shit and screaming FUCKIN this and that. Whats the diff?

none... Kurt would have gone onto bigger and better things, they would have parted ways, and the best thing he would have done is raise that daughter the right way...Unfortunately, not going to happen.

I put grunge in quotations because i didn't feel that Pearl Jam fit that category anymore (i don't think they ever did really). In any event, i guess i forgot Mudhoney because i never really got into them. No offense meant.

Nirvana was going to break up regardless of Cobain's suicide. They wouldn't have put out another album. Cobain would have went on to have a decent solo career, like a Chris Cornell perhaps, and Pearl Jam would be remembered as the greatest American rock band of all time.

Instead, Cobain kills himself and people just assume that they would have progressed to the point where they, and not pearl jam, are seen as one of if not the greatest by the mainstream pundits.

This isn't sour grapes by any means, just an opinion/observation. Nirvana was never close to being as good as Pearl Jam.

Cal, sometimes i love you.