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McParadigm wrote:
stip wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
stip wrote:
iceagecoming wrote:
i think the word 'for' is just a replacement for 'positive'. For or against etc.
"so much to talk about but nothing for (positive) to say"..
It makes perfect sense to me
It doesn't make perfect sense to me but you could be right.
I was listening to avocado when I was in my car yesterday and I kept coming back to WWS. I think this is my favorite on the new record again. Sorry severed hand and life wasted
Grammatically speaking, it's a perfectly acceptable sentence. It's merely a form of syntax that has been becoming less and less common over the last 200 years. Fifty years from now, it will probably not exist in any useful function. But it is the Queen's English.
How can that sentence work without a subject? I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just confused.
As was mentioned before, nothing is the subject. In this case, 'for to say' is the complete predicate, with 'for to' being treated as an extended version of 'to.' Technically, this makes it a prepositional phrase, but technicality always gives in to function. In earlier English, 'for to' was the common speak version of what we now just use 'to' for. Over time, it became rare and therefore became a fancier phrase which people associated with status. I seem to recall that one of Shakespeare's contemporaries used it to make fun of royalty by having a commoner constantly use it in a play. But it really showed up in literature and even commonspeak to some degree until around the American Civil War. And, as I said, even now you find it now and again. I think it appears in more poetic writing mostly on the part of writers (Ed, in this case) who know as certain number of syllables to make a phrase bounce. But it's proper and good.
thanks. I did not know that. I'm glad to hear it. I always hated that line
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World Wide Suicide has now entered my top five pearl jam songs. I just can't get enough of it. God I love this song.
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stip wrote:
World Wide Suicide has now entered my top five pearl jam songs. I just can't get enough of it. God I love this song.
Really ?
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auctioned4arm wrote:
stip wrote:
World Wide Suicide has now entered my top five pearl jam songs. I just can't get enough of it. God I love this song.
Really ?
1. Alive
2. Corduroy
3. Do The Evolution
4. World Wide Suicide
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Yeah, this song definitely continues to grow on me. It's definitely in my top 10, and is slowly dragging Avocado up my favorites list with it. At first my only complaint with Avocado was the lack of a total, hands-down-blowout of a song (a la Given to Fly, Alive, Better Man) but WWS may just be it, I can't stop listening to this song.
It's weird, I liked it at first and then ignored it after I heard the rest of the album. Now it's slowly sneaking back into my rotation again. If they had done a video for this they definitely could have had a much bigger hit out of it.
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chinofstone wrote:
stip wrote:
auctioned4arm wrote:
stip wrote:
World Wide Suicide has now entered my top five pearl jam songs. I just can't get enough of it. God I love this song.
Really ?
1. Alive 2. Corduroy 3. Do The Evolution 4. World Wide Suicide
Stip, with all do respect, you're nuts.
granted, I just listened to Dublin and, again, this song is awful live.
it's really hit or miss. Eddie messes the vocals up a lot and the chorus doesn't sound right. They pronounce world over differently than they do on the record. The music always sounds great thugh.
I'm suprised. I would not have pegged this one as particulary challenging.
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While I wish the chorus sounded the same live as it did in the studio, I do like the harmonizing thing Eddie and Matt do with it. They're still learning it live, but I enjoy the direction it's taken.
World Wide Suicide has now entered my top five pearl jam songs. I just can't get enough of it. God I love this song.
Really ?
1. Alive 2. Corduroy 3. Do The Evolution 4. World Wide Suicide
Stip, with all do respect, you're nuts.
granted, I just listened to Dublin and, again, this song is awful live.
it's really hit or miss. Eddie messes the vocals up a lot and the chorus doesn't sound right. They pronounce world over differently than they do on the record. The music always sounds great thugh.
I'm suprised. I would not have pegged this one as particulary challenging.
The best version I've heard is Grand Rapids. But it seems like Ed has a hard time switching the vocals from verse to chorus becuase it's so fast and there are so many words.
And that's not a crazy top 5.
Mine would be someting like
Given to Fly
Alive
Corduroy
Do the Evolution
I Am Mine
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VAN wrote:
stip wrote:
chinofstone wrote:
stip wrote:
auctioned4arm wrote:
stip wrote:
World Wide Suicide has now entered my top five pearl jam songs. I just can't get enough of it. God I love this song.
Really ?
1. Alive 2. Corduroy 3. Do The Evolution 4. World Wide Suicide
Stip, with all do respect, you're nuts.
granted, I just listened to Dublin and, again, this song is awful live.
it's really hit or miss. Eddie messes the vocals up a lot and the chorus doesn't sound right. They pronounce world over differently than they do on the record. The music always sounds great thugh.
I'm suprised. I would not have pegged this one as particulary challenging.
The best version I've heard is Grand Rapids. But it seems like Ed has a hard time switching the vocals from verse to chorus becuase it's so fast and there are so many words.
And that's not a crazy top 5.
Mine would be someting like
Given to Fly Alive Corduroy Do the Evolution I Am Mine
alive and GTF are both top 20. After the first four I have trouble placing the rest.
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This song is kicking my ass now. Wow what a riff. And the chorus...holy hell. btw, the link for this thread needs to be fixed, it doesn't bring up a thread, rather a post to edit.
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pearljamfan80 wrote:
5-stars, really put PJ back on the map in the modern rock radio. Really catchy, loved it on its first listen, still love it, even though I've listened to it a billion times.
I was really right on.
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pearljamfan80 wrote:
pearljamfan80 wrote:
5-stars, really put PJ back on the map in the modern rock radio. Really catchy, loved it on its first listen, still love it, even though I've listened to it a billion times.
I was really right on.
yes. yes you were.
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