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Do you think Pearl Jam will put out a new album in 2008.. Because up until the self titled album they pretty much put an album out every 2 years or so..


Ten (1991)
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I hope they get back to that. Very, very, very few artists remain interesting once they get in to that semi-retirement thing.


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2009 will be my prediction, 2008 would be nice however :D


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late this year, early next year is my guess.

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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle


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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them.

that's actually a good point, i hadn't thought of that before.


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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


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edveder9 wrote:
Do you think Pearl Jam will put out a new album in 2008.. Because up until the self titled album they pretty much put an album out every 2 years or so..



Ten (1991)
Vs. (1993) (two years, three months)
Vitalogy (1994) (one year, one month)
No Code (1996) (one year, eight months)
Yield (1998) (one year, six months)
Binaural (2000) (two years, three months)
Riot Act (2002) ( two years, six months)
Pearl Jam (2006) (three years, six months)


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As SLH said, the solo projects unforutunately slow them down, and are rarely worth it (in my opinion).

Depending on how charitable you want to be they are still on something close to a two year cycle if you count lost dogs, which certianly had enough new/unreleased material to count as a release. Plus we had into the wild, and it isn't crazy to include mirrorball in there somewhere

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As SLH said, the solo projects unforutunately slow them down, and are rarely worth it (in my opinion).

Depending on how charitable you want to be they are still on something close to a two year cycle if you count lost dogs, which certianly had enough new/unreleased material to count as a release. Plus we had into the wild, and it isn't crazy to include mirrorball in there somewhere


Side projects actually enabled the band to continue, at least in the pre-democratic days. How much side-projecting has there been post-Yield??

Mirrorball ≠ Pearl Jam, but if you were to include it, it makes the Vs-No Code even more crazy

ITW ≠ Pearl Jam, but the sessions and promo probably add 6 months to the next cycle.

Given the RA time length, but all S/T stands for (to the band at least) you can probably expect 3 years ± 3 months between it and their next album: February 2009 - August 2009, with my money on April 2009 (May would be too much like the S/T release and a summer release after June, they wouldn't be able to capitalize on the summer tour cycle, given that's the only way to make money these days for the band... )


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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"


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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"



the album was recorded by the time Kurt committed suicide. they did touch-ups afterwards in April. 7 months later it was released. got your facts and/or history misunderstood...


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Isaac Turner wrote:
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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"



the album was recorded by the time Kurt committed suicide. they did touch-ups afterwards in April. 7 months later it was released. got your facts and/or history misunderstood...


some tracks were recorded but a full scale album was NOT in the works......


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trazzo271 wrote:
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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"

How do you know this? The sessions for Vitalogy were completed, with the exception of STUPID MOP and IMMORTALITY, before Kurt Cobain's suicide. The album was held until December because of the death of Kurt Cobain. In fact the sessions began in November of 1993, while Vs was still selling in large quantities. The band wanted to record the songs as they were being debuted on tour in order to keep them fresh. If Epic was putting so much pressure on them, why did they allow such songs as PRY,TO, BUGS and AYE,DAVANITA to be released and instead force them to put HARD TO IMAGINE on Vitalogy.


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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"


This really makes sense to you? There's so much misunderstanding in there about the power and function labels have, especially for a band at a commercial pinnacle, as well as a strange impression of how Ed and the guys would have responded to an ultimatum of the like at that point in their lives.


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trazzo271 wrote:
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that 2 year cycle was because EPIC putting the screws to them. Now that they pretty much do as they feel, look for more of a TOOL type album cycle

I don't think that's true. Vs was the only album that Epic pressured them for. Epic wasn't expecting Vitalogy to be in the works, and Epic also wasn't expecting that they would be ready with No Code. They alerted Epic that Yield was going to be ready ahead of time. S/T was held for more than a year. They pulled it back just as it was going to be released. And the decision to do the Vote for Change tour kept them out of the studio, so S/T began with a delay. I think that they've worked at their own pace for the most part. As long as they stay together, I can't see them wanting to slow down unless solo projects begin to take priority. ITW, the new Brad album, Green River reunion, Mike McCready's soundtrack project, Matt Cameron doing engagements with his jazz trio, Eddie's soundtrack with John Legend. That could slow down PJ projects. Not laziness.


Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"



the album was recorded by the time Kurt committed suicide. they did touch-ups afterwards in April. 7 months later it was released. got your facts and/or history misunderstood...


some tracks were recorded but a full scale album was NOT in the works......

A full-scale album had already been planned even before the songs were written. The book Vitalogy was the basis for the original concept. The concept was drastically modified over time, but the Epic legal department had already gone over Vitalogy the book for copyright issues before the sessions began in 1993.


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Your actually quite wrong here.....EPIC forced Vitalogy to be released. Kurt Cobain commited suicide and it set off a snowball effect that "grunge" was dead. The boys were on tour and EPIC forced them to have the album recorded and released by years end (hence for it being recorded while they were on tour) to capture as much sales as they possibly could before the ultimate end of "grunge"

How do you know this? The sessions for Vitalogy were completed, with the exception of STUPID MOP and IMMORTALITY, before Kurt Cobain's suicide. The album was held until December because of the death of Kurt Cobain. In fact the sessions began in November of 1993, while Vs was still selling in large quantities. The band wanted to record the songs as they were being debuted on tour in order to keep them fresh. If Epic was putting so much pressure on them, why did they allow such songs as PRY,TO, BUGS and AYE,DAVANITA to be released and instead force them to put HARD TO IMAGINE on Vitalogy.
some tracks were recorded but a full scale album was NOT in the works......

the album was recorded by the time Kurt committed suicide. they did touch-ups afterwards in April. Seven months later it was released. got your facts and/or history misunderstood...

A full-scale album had already been planned even before the songs were written. The book Vitalogy was the basis for the original concept. The concept was drastically modified over time, but the Epic legal department had already gone over Vitalogy the book for copyright issues before the sessions began in 1993.


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you newbies are so wrong! i remember this bc unlike 90 percent of you on here who have just been recently following the band, i was a fan since the days of VS.......there was a piece on MTV news back in 1994 (prob dont remem that show either, KURT LODER)

I also believe there was like a 2 page article on this i HIT PARADER


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trazzo271 wrote:
you newbies are so wrong! i remember this bc unlike 90 percent of you on here who have just been recently following the band, i was a fan since the days of VS.......there was a piece on MTV news back in 1994 (prob dont remem that show either, KURT LODER)

I also believe there was like a 2 page article on this i HIT PARADER

i believe him, he was a fan since vs., there's arguing

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