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SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
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SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
I know we've taken this way off-topic, but I'm curious: how do you find it patriotic, aside from the chorus'?
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parting ways by a decent margin, though i like hail, hail.
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the lyrics of hail hail are incredible, absolutly perfect, but the music has never fit the song for me and because of that it never took me to that mood that the lyrics speak so strongly of.
Parting ways gto me is one of themost beautiful songs ever composed it says so many things in so little words. I personally would choose parting ways as the better of the two.
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Angus wrote:
stip wrote:
Angus wrote:
(By the way, I don't want to ruin anyone's interpretation, so I won't give too much details, but hasn't Eddie explained the meaning of the song at some shows? And this is a rhetorical question. )
oh come on--you can tell us. Their interpretation is their interpretation, regardless of what eddie said
Actually, it still leaves #42's interpretation standing somehow:
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After "Black" Ed says, "That last song was about being in love and it's all over, this next song is about something scarier, being in love and you know it's going to end soon," and the band goes into 'Parting Ways.'
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The reason being that in Hail Hail the relationship is failing yet it could still be saved. In Parting Ways they are still together but it is the end of the road, it is all but over.
What I love about Hail Hail is the way that Eddie writes a style of lyric that to a syle of music that most other songwriters wouldn't do.
Black and Parting Ways I would say match in the way you'd normally expect. Porch, I got shit and Hail Hail are examples of songs where I think one could listen to over and over and over again without realising exactly what the song is about. I remember the first time I read the lyrics to Hail Hail I was taken aback.
Better man is another good example. The chorus is so bouncy and happy musically yet far from it lyrically.
I suprised to see I got shit being compared to porch or hail hail in that way. I always thought the music really matched that one.
Yeah you are probably right. I certainly used to think that way but the more I think about it I guess it does match well.
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
I know we've taken this way off-topic, but I'm curious: how do you find it patriotic, aside from the chorus'?
I wonder the same thing, although this may be an other bands thread
In terms of interpretations, no one can tell you that the way a song makes you feel is illegitiamte, but I do think it is fair to say that if someone takes betterman as a romantic ballad, or DTE as a celebration of human civilziation than they've fundamentally missed the point.
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stip wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
I know we've taken this way off-topic, but I'm curious: how do you find it patriotic, aside from the chorus'?
I wonder the same thing, although this may be an other bands thread.
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stip wrote:
Scrub12 wrote:
Parting Ways easily.
I don't even consider Hail, Hail to be about failing love.
what do you think it is about then?
I tend to agree, it seems to be about a relationship thats in trouble or in question, but not neccisarily failing.
I perfer the lyrics in hail, hail, but I actually like the music and overall feel of parting ways. if they rewoked the music a bit in hail hail it could be one of their greatest, instead of just a good, song. the intensity of the music does work in favor of hail hail, but its just not there yet.
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#42 wrote:
Angus wrote:
stip wrote:
Angus wrote:
(By the way, I don't want to ruin anyone's interpretation, so I won't give too much details, but hasn't Eddie explained the meaning of the song at some shows? And this is a rhetorical question. )
oh come on--you can tell us. Their interpretation is their interpretation, regardless of what eddie said
Actually, it still leaves #42's interpretation standing somehow:
Quote:
After "Black" Ed says, "That last song was about being in love and it's all over, this next song is about something scarier, being in love and you know it's going to end soon," and the band goes into 'Parting Ways.'
TFT, Fresno 2000
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Hey, I listened and compared all Parting Ways live versions. I know them all.
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
I know we've taken this way off-topic, but I'm curious: how do you find it patriotic, aside from the chorus'?
Because of my interpretation, which fits Bruce's interpretation, and because of the history of the song. It's about questioning what the country has done to the Vets. The way it has gone because of gov't. leadership. Nothing is more patriotic than questioning the gov't. when you know it can be so much better.
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SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
I know we've taken this way off-topic, but I'm curious: how do you find it patriotic, aside from the chorus'?
Because of my interpretation, which fits Bruce's interpretation, and because of the history of the song. It's about questioning what the country has done to the Vets. The way it has gone because of gov't. leadership. Nothing is more patriotic than questioning the gov't. when you know it can be so much better.
This is what I love about music. I see the song as harsh criticism, yet you find something positive about it. I love you, Kelly.
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SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
SmilinSkullRing wrote:
I was also talking about the interpretation. I was specifically thinking of Reagan and BITUSA.
See, I don't agree with that. I'll never deny someone their right to an interpretation of a song, even if it's not what the artist intended. You can't do that, because then it becomes preaching. And art is about expression, not preaching.
You and I both know what Springsteen's sentiments behind the song were, but to tell someone they're wrong for taking it as a patriotic song is wrong. If that's how it moves them, the song works. Might they be missing the artist's point? Sure. But that doesn't make them wrong for liking that piece of work.
I don't think so. I won't deny them the right to say it, but they are wrong. And it is a patriotic piece. One of the most patriotic songs around. Reagan tried to make it jingoistic.
I know we've taken this way off-topic, but I'm curious: how do you find it patriotic, aside from the chorus'?
Because of my interpretation, which fits Bruce's interpretation, and because of the history of the song. It's about questioning what the country has done to the Vets. The way it has gone because of gov't. leadership. Nothing is more patriotic than questioning the gov't. when you know it can be so much better.
I agree, but you also have to admit that the working defintion of patriotism in music (and life in general) is something much closer to an uncritical love of country if not flat out jingoism.
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