Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:31 pm
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the next single, “Even Flow,” was played on MTV 57 times an hour during the first half of ’92, an impressive feat considering “Even Flow” was a pretty lousy song that made no fucking sense whatsoever.
He talks about Nirvana songs in the same article and he says Pearl Jam's songs make no sense? Funny.
Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:40 pm
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all three of these articles have been terrific so far. I am a big fan. I'm not going to agree with his takes on all of these records (although I'm not far off on no code and yield ) but I feel like he's done a really good job treating his subject matter fairly and shines a really illuminating light on the era.
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Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:16 pm
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stip wrote:
all three of these articles have been terrific so far. I am a big fan. I'm not going to agree with his takes on all of these records (although I'm not far off on no code and yield ) but I feel like he's done a really good job treating his subject matter fairly and shines a really illuminating light on the era.
I agree... I also agree with a lot of what he says, but we clearly have very different taste in music and interpretations of songs.
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Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:39 pm
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A serious amount of Painful too cool to live assholes in the replies to this article. Plus the writer has let the hoopla around the band and eddie at the time, overshadow and taint his view of the music. Easy enough to do i spose, but at this long distance surely some objectivity could be applied and a critique of the songs and albums given free of the malignancy of all the hype?
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Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:19 pm
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dimejinky99 wrote:
A serious amount of Painful too cool to live assholes in the replies to this article. Plus the writer has let the hoopla around the band and eddie at the time, overshadow and taint his view of the music. Easy enough to do i spose, but at this long distance surely some objectivity could be applied and a critique of the songs and albums given free of the malignancy of all the hype?
I don't know, isn't the focus of the article more about the hype than the music? I don't think his assignment was to go back and find out whether No Code and Yield were actually good or not.
A lot of fans dropped off after No Code and Yield--that's pretty undeniable. For the writer that's a reflection on the quality of those albums, and that's a fair viewpoint even if many of us would disagree.
Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:27 pm
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If that's true, he failed to address or question was the band being musically obtuse in order to shed some of those fairweather fans? and if so did they do it for credibility or their own sanity? a little of both maybe. he's judging the quality of the music by the lights of their public image and perception of them. If it was about hype, that's fair enough, but overall he was pretty unfair and not at all objective when it came to the songs.
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Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:30 pm
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dimejinky99 wrote:
If that's true, he failed to address or question was the band being musically obtuse in order to shed some of those fairweather fans? and if so did they do it for credibility or their own sanity? a little of both maybe. he's judging the quality of the music by the lights of their public image and perception of them.
If that's true, what would be PJ's excuse now?
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Post subject: Re: The A.V. Club: 1992: Pearl Jam, the perils of fame...
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:26 pm
Former PJ Drummer
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They've changed and are in a happier less adversarial place these days? can a band make that shift this late in their career? in both public perception and of themselves? remains to be seen i guess.
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