Post subject: "Corduroy", & Joy Division's "Ceremony
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:11 am
Johnny Guitar
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I don't recall Eddie ever mentioning Joy Division/New Order as an influence, but if you listen to 'Ceremony' by Joy Division, as redone by New Order...
The beginning of 'Ceremony', & 'Corduroy' are almost identical in many aspects aswell as other parts of both songs...
really, find 'Ceremony' if you can & listen to it, you'll be surprised if you haven't heard this song, I think Eddie could've really been influenced by this song when writing 'Corduroy', even if he didn't mention it
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Instead of the E going up to the C root, it stays on A. It's similar. Not exactly an influential riff. E C A is one of the canonized rock progressions.
New Order does it more than Joy Division did. JD played this wicked wall of sound in their opening, New Order cashed in on Ceremony and made a single out of it. Somewhere in all of this is 'talent'.
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CommonWord wrote:
Instead of the E going up to the C root, it stays on A. It's similar. Not exactly an influential riff. E C A is one of the canonized rock progressions.
Not to disagree, but....
cos2(t) + sin2(t) = 1
sin2(t)
1 + tan2(t) = 1 + ----------
cos2(t)
cos2(t)+sin2(t)
= -----------------
cos2(t)
1
= ----------- = sec2(t)
cos2(t)
Analogous :
1 + cotan2(t) = 1/ sin2(t) = csc2(t)
sin2 (pi/3) = sqrt( 1 - cos2 (pi/3)) = sqrt(3)/2
So, sin(pi/3) = sqrt(3)/2 and cos(pi/3) = 1/2.
So in the final analysis you can see how people might get the wrong idea about the chord structures.
Last edited by Buggy on Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Buggy wrote:
CommonWord wrote:
Instead of the E going up to the C root, it stays on A. It's similar. Not exactly an influential riff. E C A is one of the canonized rock progressions.
Not to disagree, but....
cos2(t) + sin2(t) = 1
sin2(t) 1 + tan2(t) = 1 + ---------- cos2(t)
cos2(t)+sin2(t) = ----------------- cos2(t)
1 = ----------- = sec2(t) cos2(t)
Analogous :
1 + cotan2(t) = 1/ sin2(t) = csc2(t)
sin2 (pi/3) = sqrt( 1 - cos2 (pi/3)) = sqrt(3)/2
So, sin(pi/3) = sqrt(3)/2 and cos(pi/3) = 1/2.
So in the final analysis you can see how people might get the wrong idea about the chrod structures.
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Instead of the E going up to the C root, it stays on A. It's similar. Not exactly an influential riff. E C A is one of the canonized rock progressions.
Not to disagree, but....
cos2(t) + sin2(t) = 1
sin2(t) 1 + tan2(t) = 1 + ---------- cos2(t)
cos2(t)+sin2(t) = ----------------- cos2(t)
1 = ----------- = sec2(t) cos2(t)
Analogous :
1 + cotan2(t) = 1/ sin2(t) = csc2(t)
sin2 (pi/3) = sqrt( 1 - cos2 (pi/3)) = sqrt(3)/2
So, sin(pi/3) = sqrt(3)/2 and cos(pi/3) = 1/2.
So in the final analysis you can see how people might get the wrong idea about the chrod structures.
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Buggy wrote:
CommonWord wrote:
Instead of the E going up to the C root, it stays on A. It's similar. Not exactly an influential riff. E C A is one of the canonized rock progressions.
Not to disagree, but....
cos2(t) + sin2(t) = 1
sin2(t) 1 + tan2(t) = 1 + ---------- cos2(t)
cos2(t)+sin2(t) = ----------------- cos2(t)
1 = ----------- = sec2(t) cos2(t)
Analogous :
1 + cotan2(t) = 1/ sin2(t) = csc2(t)
sin2 (pi/3) = sqrt( 1 - cos2 (pi/3)) = sqrt(3)/2
So, sin(pi/3) = sqrt(3)/2 and cos(pi/3) = 1/2.
So in the final analysis you can see how people might get the wrong idea about the chrod structures.
Instead of the E going up to the C root, it stays on A. It's similar. Not exactly an influential riff. E C A is one of the canonized rock progressions.
Not to disagree, but....
cos2(t) + sin2(t) = 1
sin2(t) 1 + tan2(t) = 1 + ---------- cos2(t)
cos2(t)+sin2(t) = ----------------- cos2(t)
1 = ----------- = sec2(t) cos2(t)
Analogous :
1 + cotan2(t) = 1/ sin2(t) = csc2(t)
sin2 (pi/3) = sqrt( 1 - cos2 (pi/3)) = sqrt(3)/2
So, sin(pi/3) = sqrt(3)/2 and cos(pi/3) = 1/2.
So in the final analysis you can see how people might get the wrong idea about the chord structures.
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I don't recall Eddie ever mentioning Joy Division/New Order as an influence, but if you listen to 'Ceremony' by Joy Division, as redone by New Order...
i can't believe i just read this. i only just got into joy division and new order in the last couple months and as soon as i heard the new order version of ceremony the first thing that came to my mind was corduroy. blast you for mentioning it first! no just curse my laziness for not doing so
on a side note did anyone here notice a similarity in eddie and ian's voices? its not so much that they sound alike but they both sound very masculine
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