I think there's still more power in the chosen cover songs, like Masters of War and Gimme Some Truth, for instance.
groetjes,
Mirella
"people have the power" 
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| Author: | stip [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:39 pm ] |
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Whipping vs. Grievance Whipping Don't need a helmet, got a hard, hard head Don't need a raincoat, I'm already wet Don't need a bandage, there's too much...blood... After a while, seems to roll right off... They're whipping... Don't need a hand, there's always arms attached Oh, don't get behind, I can't fall back Why must we trust all these rusted rails? They don't want no change we already have They're whipping... Don't mean to push, but I'm being shoved! Ohh, I'm just like you, think we've had enough I can't believe a thing they want us to... Oh, we all got scars, they should have 'em too... They're whipping... Grievance Have a drink they're buying Bottom of, bottle of denial Big guy,... big eye,... watching me... Have to wonder what it sees... Progress... laced with... ramifications... Freedom's big plunge Pull the innocent from a crowd Raise the sticks then bring em down If they fail to obey... oh if they fail to obey, For every tool they lend us... a loss of independence I pledge my grievance to the flag Cause you don't give blood... to take it back again Oh we're all deserving something more Progress... taste it... invest-it-all Champagne breakfast for everyone Break the innocent when they're proud... Raise the stakes... then bring em down... If they fail to obey... if they fail to obey Pledge your grievance to the flag Cause you don't give blood... then take it back again Oh we're all deserving something more. I want to breathe Follow the scene I want to taste Everyone I see I want to run when I'm up high I want to run into the sea I only want life.... to be... I just want to be... I will feel alive... as long as I am free... Previous The Best… 1.existential album closer 2. failing love song 3.seize the day song 4. anti-war song 5. song for unrequited love 6. song for a father 7. guitar solo 8. song about getting away |
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| Author: | jimbojones1138 [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:43 pm ] |
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love em both, yet Whipping gets me going more at a pj show |
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| Author: | stip [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:43 pm ] |
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By political call to arms I mean a song that not only tells you about a way the world is unjust, but also inspires you to go out to do something about it. It needs to be a song that has you fired up at the end, ready to go find a rally. REM's Final Straw or Pearl Jam's insignificance are both powerful songs in their own way, but neither one leaves you fired up. Both bear witness to injustice but don't call you to the barricades. Both of these songs try to do that I love the sense of rolling intensity that whipping begins with. It lets you know right away that the song has something to say without shoving it in your face. It sweeps you up along with it—you are part of the tide, and that matters for these kinds of songs. There has to be a certain feeling of angry solidarity—you are part of a group, and that whole group is pissed Lyrically the song is a bit too vague. Lots of great individual lines that convey a sense of group defiance, a refusal to accept a world or system that continuously demands sacrifice while giving nothing in return, that makes demands of others without giving of themselves in return. It is outraged by hypocrisy and wants revenge, or at least change. But in the end whipping is a bit too abstract. There is nothing specific to grab on to. While this means you can apply it just about any situation you would like, it lacks substance to make it stick Grievance is a more interesting, although musically less immediate than whipping, and like Light Years, I think it suffers slightly in that regard. A good political song should be catchy (which is not necessarily the same thing as simple) and infectious, and grievance is a bit too challenging in that regard (some of that might be because of the binaural murk). Lyrically, however, it is a masterpiece. Probably the best piece of political writing ed has ever done (with the possible exception of WWS). In part because of its inspiration (I believe this was written watching the WTO protests in Seattle) there is a sense of concreteness to the lyrics that whipping lacks. It is abstract, but there is a condemnation of globalization (or the disingenuous promise of freedom given to mask exploitation, which works domestically and internationally), and a celebration of the political act of protest. It spends its time glorifying resistance, rather than attacking hypocrisy. Both are there, but here it is the act, rather than the critique, that is controlling the song. It is a more mature approach than the ‘don’t trust anyone over 30’ attitude of whipping. Both songs ends on a note of defiance, but there is a sense of martyrdom in whipping “do your worst, I’ll still resist†that isn’t quite as inspiring as the declaration of faith and freedom in the end of Grievance. The cry for revenge isn’t as compelling as the cry for freedom Grievance takes it. |
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| Author: | BadMusic [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:54 pm ] |
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We're all deserving something more |
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| Author: | YessCode [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:26 pm ] |
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Whipping and Greivance shows us how much better of a song writer Ed became between Vitalogy and Binaural. Grievance is an agressive, intricate tune with ups and downs and passion. Whipping is an agressive, simple, boring tune that has some great lines but is dreck musically. |
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| Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:35 pm ] |
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Grievance hands down. |
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| Author: | Juvenal [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:02 pm ] |
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Monkey_Driven wrote: Grievance hands down.
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| Author: | BeYourself [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:08 pm ] |
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Undone! |
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| Author: | Angus [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:16 pm ] |
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Grievance by 10.000 light years. |
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| Author: | inmytree [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:15 pm ] |
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Hard choice, but Grievance |
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| Author: | Mirella [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:32 pm ] |
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I think there's still more power in the chosen cover songs, like Masters of War and Gimme Some Truth, for instance. groetjes, Mirella "people have the power"
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| Author: | Junco Partner [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:07 pm ] |
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never would have thought of whipping in that context. but it makes sense when you read the lyrics, though it seems like it could maybe be an anti slavery song, kinda pulling that outa my ass, but it seems like whipping alludes to that. |
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| Author: | stip [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:38 pm ] |
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Junco Partner wrote: never would have thought of whipping in that context. but it makes sense when you read the lyrics, though it seems like it could maybe be an anti slavery song, kinda pulling that outa my ass, but it seems like whipping alludes to that.
I don't think an anti-slavery song would be that compelling in the year 1994, but the metaphor and image of the slave driver, of being driven like chattel or punished for disobedience, still works |
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| Author: | chinofstone [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:25 pm ] |
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Grievance. Like Stip wrote, it is a song "that has you fired up at the end, ready to go find a rally." |
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| Author: | conoalias [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:29 pm ] |
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Grievance Have a drink they're buying Bottom of, bottle of denial Big guy,... big eye,... watching me... Have to wonder what it sees... Progress... laced with... ramifications... Freedom's big plunge Pull the innocent from a crowd Raise the sticks then bring em down If they fail to obey... oh if they fail to obey, For every tool they lend us... a loss of independence I pledge my grievance to the flag Cause you don't give blood... to take it back again Oh we're all deserving something more Progress... taste it... invest-it-all Champagne breakfast for everyone Break the innocent when they're proud... Raise the stakes... then bring em down... If they fail to obey... if they fail to obey Pledge your grievance to the flag Cause you don't give blood... then take it back again Oh we're all deserving something more. I want to breathe Follow the scene I want to taste Everyone I see I want to run when I'm up high I want to run into the sea I only want life.... to be... I just want to be... I will feel alive... as long as I am free... |
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| Author: | dogbelly [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:03 am ] |
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Easy choice here, it is Grievance |
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| Author: | pearljamfan80 [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:06 am ] |
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I pledge my Grievance to the flag... |
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| Author: | McParadigm [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:21 am ] |
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I think of WWS as a call to arms, and it wins. |
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| Author: | warehouse [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:57 am ] |
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both great songs. i'll vote for whippin b/c its not getting much love, plus it kicks my ass harder than grievance does. everyone should listen to whippin from the atlanta radio show in 94. its beautifully intense "i dont mean to push but im being shoved" |
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| Author: | SmilinSkullRing [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:26 am ] |
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Grievance out of those two. |
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