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 Post subject: Can anyone hear Eddie in that Bad Religion song?
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Apparently Eddie recorded backing vocals for this song.

Probably the best point to listen for his voice is during the bridge at 1:56-- the "he's the farmer's barren fields..." part.

Can anyone hear him?

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theplatypus wrote:

Probably the best point to listen for his voice is during the bridge at 1:56-- the "he's the farmer's barren fields..." part.


That's it. Maybe some of the 'aaah'-parts as well.

Great song btw :)

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 Post subject: Re: Can anyone hear Eddie in that Bad Religion song?
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He's in for the oozin' ahhs, yeah, and any background part. He also traded verses on Watch it Die. But back then BR would cut their background vocals huddled around two mics panned left/right, so no one voice is all that distinguishable. And if Watch it Die is any indicator, either Ed was aiming midrange or they were using mics that weren't good for catching his timbre.


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I can barely hear him in either of the songs. I downloaded an Ed compilation off of the demon with these two songs, and after listening I was like "where the fuck is Ed?". I thought perhaps he just added a guitar part, not vocals. :|

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Eddie's on "American Jesus"? Is there any information about that? I thought he only participated on "Watch It Die"..

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Yeah, in "Watch It Die" Eddie has lead vocals. "American Jesus" is a better song, though. There was a recent interview between Graffin and Gurewitz on Epitaph's website where they used PJ to explain their positions/opinions on the music industry or something like that, but also pointed out that they're good friends with Eddie and the rest of the guys.

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Riot Actor 25 wrote:
Yeah, in "Watch It Die" Eddie has lead vocals. "American Jesus" is a better song, though. There was a recent interview between Graffin and Gurewitz on Epitaph's website where they used PJ to explain their positions/opinions on the music industry or something like that, but also pointed out that they're good friends with Eddie and the rest of the guys.

What was their opinion on the music business? Do you have a link?


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Riot Actor 25 wrote:
Yeah, in "Watch It Die" Eddie has lead vocals. "American Jesus" is a better song, though. There was a recent interview between Graffin and Gurewitz on Epitaph's website where they used PJ to explain their positions/opinions on the music industry or something like that, but also pointed out that they're good friends with Eddie and the rest of the guys.

What was their opinion on the music business? Do you have a link?


If you go here ( http://listenin.org/interviews/default. ... d-Religion ) you can click on one of the light blue "Listen In" links and have a player open up that features Greg Graffin's answers to various questions. He talks about societal issues, certain songs, and rips Bono in the last response.

And if you go here ( http://www.epitaph.com/news/news/2882 ) you can read a somewhat recent interview from epitaph.com with Greg Graffin and Brett Gurewitz. Its a tad lengthy, but very good. This is an excerpt dealing with what they said about the music industry and PJ:

What are your thoughts on some of the current trends, strategies, and ideals of some of the bands and their fans nowadays? Do you think the immense popularity that some of these bands have thanks to media such as MTV has a positive or negative ripple effect?
Brett: MTV is having a lot of trouble. They just laid off 250 employees and are hardly playing any music anymore. TRL is either gone or going away. MTV is not really the big hitmaker that you think it is, and a lot of these groups that are massive today, including Panic at the Disco, who I love - they're one of my favorite newer bands - were not made by MTV. MTV actually caught onto Panic after they were already selling 14,000 records a week. They became such a huge phenomenon simply as a result of the internet being such an efficient means of social networking. That's the amazing development - that a group can get popular instantly based on their merits because kids like them. Hundreds of thousands of kids can all be communicating together about a new song that they like or a new group that they like. I think that's a positive ripple effect, and what that effect has been that there are more groups than ever making more music than ever in more styles than ever. There are more groups selling 50,000-100,000 records than there ever were, but there are far fewer groups selling millions of records. And I think that is a positive development; what it means is increased diversity. I think diversity benefits everybody.

Do you think that's going to lead to the downfall of major labels?
Brett: It already is. How many are left now?
Greg: And the ones that are left have let go so many people and they're operating at such a low capacity that you could say the ship is already half-underwater.
Brett: Major labels that survive will adapt and change the way they do business.

Where do you think they'll end up from here? How will they adapt?
Brett: I think they'll learn how to make a profit and have a business model where selling a million to two million is the biggest seller they'll ever have. Being able to have more artists selling fewer copies each. I think that's what they'll have to adapt to.
Greg: It used to be that they could sign one band like Pearl Jam and that was known as a cash cow for the label, and with that one Pearl Jam signing, they could sign twenty crappy bands that never sold hardly any CDs. That's got to change because there aren't any bands like Pearl Jam that are going to sell 14 million albums worldwide.
Brett: It just doesn't happen anymore. So what they have to adapt to is a music industry where you sell less of more. The overall music being ingested by music fans is going to be as large or greater. Just like a thousand cable channels and Tivo mean we don't have everyone in the United States watching the same sitcom at 7 PM. Everybody's watching what they want to watch.

On a similar note, Greg, you wrote an essay that's currently on the Bad Religion website titled, "Fast Food and the Music Industry."
Greg: Oh yeah, that's actually a keynote address that I gave at the CMJ Conference a number of years ago.
Tony: I've always found it fascinating.
Greg: Along those same lines, it's like you're starting to see a breakdown even in that mentality. The point of that article was that Epic had their Pearl Jam, so Warner had to have their version of the #1 choice on the value meal. And these are things that they could easily market to the massive numbers of fans who are buying that kind of music. And that's why I made the analogy between Burger King and McDonald's, which essentially offer the same thing if you take the #1 on their value meals.
Brett: Let me just be clear about something because we keep invoking the Pearl Jam name. Ed Vedder from Pearl Jam is a good friend of me and Greg's, and neither of us would ever dare compare them to McDonald's. [laughing] So Ed, if you read this, man, don't take this the wrong way. We're trying to think of a big band to name.
Greg: But the point is not really with Pearl Jam and how they were marketed and how every label wanted their example of Pearl Jam.
Brett: Pearl Jam was as pissed off as anyone that they were being treated that way.
Greg: And so now what the labels are going to have to do is work a little harder to develop artists and might have a more diverse talent base that can't just focus their energy on any one band.
Brett: That's what they're going to have to learn to do. That's what Epitaph has always done, and that's why we're having a good time and enjoying the new climate. And that's why as a music fan, I'm enjoying the new climate. We've always loved having a big hit, but if we can sell 50,000 of something, we're thrilled.

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Thanks RiotActor25. Those links were really interesting.


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SLH916 wrote:
Thanks RiotActor25. Those links were really interesting.


Sure thing. They just wrapped up a bunch of American dates and are heading to Australia, up through Hawaii and then onto the west coast. I don't think anyone recorded the Philly gig (as nothing has surfaced) but you can go here to this site http://www.doc-ent.com/brp/DCBeloved/ and download the 9:30 Club gig. FLAC links are at the bottom. This is just one source and I'm working on mixing my recording with this one to make a matrix mix, but that'll take quite a while. However, there are an incredible amount of shows at http://www.bad-religion.net

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Riot Actor 25 wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
Thanks RiotActor25. Those links were really interesting.


Sure thing. They just wrapped up a bunch of American dates and are heading to Australia, up through Hawaii and then onto the west coast. I don't think anyone recorded the Philly gig (as nothing has surfaced) but you can go here to this site http://www.doc-ent.com/brp/DCBeloved/ and download the 9:30 Club gig. FLAC links are at the bottom. This is just one source and I'm working on mixing my recording with this one to make a matrix mix, but that'll take quite a while. However, there are an incredible amount of shows at http://www.bad-religion.net

Thanks for all the information.


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killer tune, im gunna have to start listening to some BR.
thanks!

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killer tune, im gunna have to start listening to some BR.
thanks!


They're an awesome band. I think you'll like them.

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