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BadMusic wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
Yeah that really doesn't ring true for me, either. I'd say it's split pretty equally between hopeless songs (WWS, Comatose, Unemployable, Army Reserve) and hopeful songs (Life Wasted, MITS, Parachutes, Inside Job). But ultimately, because of how the tracks are sequenced, it's more hopeful than not.
I may be wrong but I thought cono used "hopeless" to say this album sucked lyrically, and not regarding the themes of the songs I too nominate Army Reserve as the only thing that is better than Stupid Mop on this record
Liking Stupid Mop over any track on S/T is just nonsense, especially lyrical. Come on, already...
Well, this is just my opinion, almost everything on Avocado have nothing special, they're generic songs with obvious lyrics and obvious music. Stupid Mop is not a song in the classic way, so of course it's hard to compare, but still I think it's a better piece of art than songs on Avocado.
The day Stupid Mop is a piece of art, Ticketmaster will agree to lower ticket prices. So that will be never. If you want a piece of art, listen to Indifference or Immortality.
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dissident27 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
conoalias wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
conoalias wrote:
i love Army Reserve, next to I Am Mine, All Or None & Help Help it's the only post Binaural song i can listen to more than once a day.
But it's not the lyrics that drive your love for the song?
Do you really think that BIG WAVE has the best lyrics on the album, or were you joking?
given the fact that lyrically Avocado is an hopeless album, i wasn't really joking. i love both music and lyrics of Army Reserve. Both are by far 2 of the best additions to their live sets in the last couple of years.
Really? I don't see that at all.
Yeah that really doesn't ring true for me, either. I'd say it's split pretty equally between hopeless songs (WWS, Comatose, Unemployable, Army Reserve) and hopeful songs (Life Wasted, MITS, Parachutes, Inside Job). But ultimately, because of how the tracks are sequenced, it's more hopeful than not.
I may be wrong but I thought cono used "hopeless" to say this album sucked lyrically, and not regarding the themes of the songs I too nominate Army Reserve as the only thing that is better than Stupid Mop on this record
Liking Stupid Mop over any track on S/T is just nonsense, especially lyrical. Come on, already...
Well, this is just my opinion, almost everything on Avocado have nothing special, they're generic songs with obvious lyrics and obvious music. Stupid Mop is not a song in the classic way, so of course it's hard to compare, but still I think it's a better piece of art than songs on Avocado.
The day Stupid Mop is a piece of art, Ticketmaster will agree to lower ticket prices. So that will be never. If you want a piece of art, listen to Indifference or Immortality.
Yeah I think I've heard these songs, once or twice maybe, I don't remember. But that's really not the point we were adressing, right ? And that point was off-topic anyway
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BadMusic wrote:
Well, this is just my opinion, almost everything on Avocado have nothing special, they're generic songs with obvious lyrics and obvious music. Stupid Mop is not a song in the classic way, so of course it's hard to compare, but still I think it's a better piece of art than songs on Avocado.
Maybe we use words that are too generic to describe our opinions of songs. There is nothing "generic" about these lyrics
I scream in affirmation Of connecting dislocations And exceeding limitations By achieving levitation
Many here don't like them, and may even be embarrassed by them, but I think that you would be hard pressed to find anything even remotely like them on a Maroon 5 or Fallout Boy album.
Likewise,
you are unlikely to find anything similar to these lyrics on a Nickelback album:
There is a sickness,...... A sickness coming over me Like watching freedom,. Being sucked straight out to sea And the solution?,........ Well, from me far would it be But the delusion,.......... Is feeling dangerous to me
Some of us like these lyrics very much, others may find them pretentious, but they provide somewhat more fodder for discussion than say these lyrics:
Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your girlfriend! No way! No way! I think you need a new one Hey! Hey! You! You! I could be your girlfriend
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SLH916 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
Well, this is just my opinion, almost everything on Avocado have nothing special, they're generic songs with obvious lyrics and obvious music. Stupid Mop is not a song in the classic way, so of course it's hard to compare, but still I think it's a better piece of art than songs on Avocado.
Maybe we use words that are too generic to describe our opinions of songs. There is nothing "generic" about these lyrics
I scream in affirmation Of connecting dislocations And exceeding limitations By achieving levitation
I think I said earlier that this song probably had the best lyrics on this record. They're not tremendous though
SLH916 wrote:
Many here don't like them, and may even be embarrassed by them, but I think that you would be hard pressed to find anything even remotely like them on a Maroon 5 or Fallout Boy album.
Likewise,
you are unlikely to find anything similar to these lyrics on a Nickelback album:
There is a sickness,...... A sickness coming over me Like watching freedom,. Being sucked straight out to sea And the solution?,........ Well, from me far would it be But the delusion,.......... Is feeling dangerous to me
Some of us like these lyrics very much, others may find them pretentious, but they provide somewhat more fodder for discussion than say these lyrics:
Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your girlfriend! No way! No way! I think you need a new one Hey! Hey! You! You! I could be your girlfriend
Being better than crap doesn't make anything good, right ? I really think those lines from MITS you just quoted are awful, especially the ones I bolded. Awkward writing.
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BadMusic wrote:
Being better than crap doesn't make anything good, right ? I really think those lines from MITS you just quoted are awful, especially the ones I bolded. Awkward writing.
To me this line, in particular, is an outstanding description of what some of us in the US have felt over the past 7 years:
But the delusion,.......... Is feeling dangerous to me.
The rest of the stanza describes a condition that we Americans have had to deal with, an economic and foreign policy that has left us, as a nation, with few good options. In my opinon the whole song is an outstanding piece of pop songwriting that conveys very complex ideas using melodic variation, time shifts and instrumental interplay to underscore a whole series of relatively complex ideas that have immediacy as it relates to our current situation, but are ultimately timeless. But, of course, that is just my opinion. And it seems that most in this forum are not fans of this song.
There are those who don't think that the lyrics to GIRLFRIEND are crap either.
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
Thanks for making an ass out of me.
I wouldn't say that our exchange had that result. If anything, it defused the escalation in a war of lyrics that would have made Avril Lavigne's GIRLFRIEND the only song left standing.
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BadMusic wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
BadMusic wrote:
Well, this is just my opinion, almost everything on Avocado have nothing special, they're generic songs with obvious lyrics and obvious music. Stupid Mop is not a song in the classic way, so of course it's hard to compare, but still I think it's a better piece of art than songs on Avocado.
Maybe we use words that are too generic to describe our opinions of songs. There is nothing "generic" about these lyrics
I scream in affirmation Of connecting dislocations And exceeding limitations By achieving levitation
I think I said earlier that this song probably had the best lyrics on this record. They're not tremendous though
SLH916 wrote:
Many here don't like them, and may even be embarrassed by them, but I think that you would be hard pressed to find anything even remotely like them on a Maroon 5 or Fallout Boy album.
Likewise,
you are unlikely to find anything similar to these lyrics on a Nickelback album:
There is a sickness,...... A sickness coming over me Like watching freedom,. Being sucked straight out to sea And the solution?,........ Well, from me far would it be But the delusion,.......... Is feeling dangerous to me
Some of us like these lyrics very much, others may find them pretentious, but they provide somewhat more fodder for discussion than say these lyrics:
Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your girlfriend! No way! No way! I think you need a new one Hey! Hey! You! You! I could be your girlfriend
Being better than crap doesn't make anything good, right ? I really think those lines from MITS you just quoted are awful, especially the ones I bolded. Awkward writing.
I don't like the solution lyric but the rest of that is decent and overall the lyrics on Marker are quite strong--as SLH said, they are easy enough to relate to, unfortunatley
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This thread is....interesting.
When I first heard the album the only thing I liked about Big Wave was the music. It took a few listens for it to grow on me and now I like it quite a bit. It's a fun little song and the outro music is still the best part.
3.5 stars
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aprilfifth wrote:
The music for Parachutes (to me) just feels like the ocean. It feels like I'm out there on a nice calm day floating, feeling my body sway and dip over the water in the same kind of rythym of the quirky little tempo of Paracutes.
Yup. Makes me want look for Ralph over the side of the boat.
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It is hard to believe that a band that has written songs lke Black, Betterman, Indifference, etc. would write this crapp crapp song. Anything on riot act is better than this . Follows up the best song on the album too, unemployable.
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