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i question the fondness of this - of course they're passionnate, of course they really love what they do for a living BUT(i'm a musician myself)where does the fun ends?
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wut?
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mastaflatch wrote:
i question the fondness of this - of course they're passionnate, of course they really love what they do for a living BUT(i'm a musician myself)where does the fun ends?
The more important question. Are you still having fun? And I hope it's not ending here.
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stip, don't you DARE delete this thread until I figure out what the fuck it's about.
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yeah sorry folks it wasn't eloquently put to say the least what i mean is just this: as a musician/composer myself, i'm looking forward fucking things up in live settings, although i like playing our older songs and although people in the audience ask for some of them, the more we go on, the more i'm getting tired of the old stuff/approach and i try to push the band in different directions (which is a tough thing to do as some people tend to not stray too far from the comfort zone) and i'm always beginning with the assumption that people attending our shows are receptive and like to be challenged. why i'm doing this is simple, i want to keep on having fun doing my songs and keep the band relevant. that being said, there's no way i'll compare my band and PJ scale-wise or musically-wise but as groups of musicians no matter how big you make it there's some personnal ethics involved and i wonder if Ed or Stone or whoever else get bored with the old hits, although there's an obvious strong crowd respose to them. i wonder if some of the guys in the band feel like they're covering themselves, like "ok let's play this tune so the people get crazy although i don't feel like it's mine anymore". do you think they play their older songs with the same passion? do they still mean it? like Leash, how can a 40ish man sing this song like he just wrote it? hope it's clearer that way
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mastaflatch wrote:
yeah sorry folks it wasn't eloquently put to say the least what i mean is just this: as a musician/composer myself, i'm looking forward fucking things up in live settings, although i like playing our older songs and although people in the audience ask for some of them, the more we go on, the more i'm getting tired of the old stuff/approach and i try to push the band in different directions (which is a tough thing to do as some people tend to not stray too far from the comfort zone) and i'm always beginning with the assumption that people attending our shows are receptive and like to be challenged. why i'm doing this is simple, i want to keep on having fun doing my songs and keep the band relevant. that being said, there's no way i'll compare my band and PJ scale-wise or musically-wise but as groups of musicians no matter how big you make it there's some personnal ethics involved and i wonder if Ed or Stone or whoever else get bored with the old hits, although there's an obvious strong crowd respose to them. i wonder if some of the guys in the band feel like they're covering themselves, like "ok let's play this tune so the people get crazy although i don't feel like it's mine anymore". do you think they play their older songs with the same passion? do they still mean it? like Leash, how can a 40ish man sing this song like he just wrote it? hope it's clearer that way
Im SURE the band gets sick of playing older songs and much rather play their newer material. The fan club and most of the fans are receptive to most, if not all the material, however, the band does have 20,000 people to please on a given night. Also, 20,000 screaming your song back to you, 15 years after you wrote it, in a large arena, is going to give you energy no matter how many times youve done it...
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62strat wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
yeah sorry folks it wasn't eloquently put to say the least what i mean is just this: as a musician/composer myself, i'm looking forward fucking things up in live settings, although i like playing our older songs and although people in the audience ask for some of them, the more we go on, the more i'm getting tired of the old stuff/approach and i try to push the band in different directions (which is a tough thing to do as some people tend to not stray too far from the comfort zone) and i'm always beginning with the assumption that people attending our shows are receptive and like to be challenged. why i'm doing this is simple, i want to keep on having fun doing my songs and keep the band relevant. that being said, there's no way i'll compare my band and PJ scale-wise or musically-wise but as groups of musicians no matter how big you make it there's some personnal ethics involved and i wonder if Ed or Stone or whoever else get bored with the old hits, although there's an obvious strong crowd respose to them. i wonder if some of the guys in the band feel like they're covering themselves, like "ok let's play this tune so the people get crazy although i don't feel like it's mine anymore". do you think they play their older songs with the same passion? do they still mean it? like Leash, how can a 40ish man sing this song like he just wrote it? hope it's clearer that way
Im SURE the band gets sick of playing older songs and much rather play their newer material. The fan club and most of the fans are receptive to most, if not all the material, however, the band does have 20,000 people to please on a given night. Also, 20,000 screaming your song back to you, 15 years after you wrote it, in a large arena, is going to give you energy no matter how many times youve done it...
So, yes and no.
I think this response raises an adjacent question to the original...at what point do they say screw those other 20K that aren't receptive to the newer directions and material? There is only one logical result of this and that is that their fan base diminishes and they play smaller shows (this wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing). This is the direction that a band like the Black Crowes has gone in over the last 8 years or so. They have made some decisions I haven't agreed with, but one thing I have agreed with is that they play a set entirely to their liking every night including cover renditions of band favorite tunes and throwing in only 2-3 big time fan favorites in a given show.
I don't have a complaint about PJs approach to shows...There are a few songs I have heard live more times than I would care to (i.e. Elderly Woman), but for a GREAT majority of songs even hearing them in the context of a greatest hits type show continuously reminds me of why I fell in love with the band in the first place. They remain QUALITY songs that translate incredibly well to the live medium and I admit it...I get swept up in the moment of the show. And I will see them 6-8 times per tour for sure. But you have to wonder at what point their pure artistic integrity takes over completely.
My opinion is that it never will... They have been a more or less appeasing band for the fans over the course of their careers (apologies to the South region of course). And nothing I have seen would suggest that this would ever be different.
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I'm not sure that they get tired of playing their older songs. They don't play every day, year after year. They go on tour when they feel like it, and they build breaks into it. And they play so many songs that the new songs get heard as well. I'm not a musician, but I play music and I've written a song or two. I never had the talent to become a professional. There are maybe 20 or so pieces/songs that I've played nearly forever, and I never tire of playing them because they're good pieces. Now, when I play them, they are all about the passion because the technical side is part of my blood and bones. I never have to think about it. To be able to play songs that you wrote in front of 20,000 people and have them singing along, have them owning those songs must be a thrill like no other. I can't imagine wanting to give that up.
I don't sense that they are just going through the motions during the "hits." Some of the old songs have taken on new significance. The tag on NOT FOR YOU from the Gorge 05 was really moving. And that spectacular fireworks display during EVENFLOW at Lolla. The opening riff to ALIVE still gets everyone's heart beating faster. And I'll never tire of the BETTER MAN sing-a-longs. For a band that's been around for going on 17 years those are moments to cherish. They don't seem to be a band that even wants to disown its past to make its present more relevent. They seem to be more about "we are what we are" past, present and future. We hope that you stick with us.
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not much to add to BE's and SLH's posts, except to say to mastaflach that Eddie DID sound like he had just written leash the two times I saw it in 06--but on the other hand that was a song coming out of retirement so I'm not sure that really falls into what you're talking about
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62strat wrote:
i think pj fans would have a difficult time being fans of paul westerberg. its too bad cause his performances are mindblowing.
Why would PJ fans have a difficult time being fans of Paul Westerberg? Cameron Crowe is a fan of both. And what about his performances is mindblowing? I know hardly anything about his music.
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SLH916 wrote:
62strat wrote:
i think pj fans would have a difficult time being fans of paul westerberg. its too bad cause his performances are mindblowing.
Why would PJ fans have a difficult time being fans of Paul Westerberg? Cameron Crowe is a fan of both. And what about his performances is mindblowing? I know hardly anything about his music.
he never gets words correct. Fucks up on the guitar more than anyone in the world. But its pure passion, pure rock n roll and pure honesty....pearl jam fans would cry on message board all day long...
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