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 Post subject: Ed's Live Voice vs. Studio Voice
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Has anyone noticed that Ed sounds different on cds than he does live?

Is there any explanation for this? There are some other threads with posts by Mine and SLH and others who have insight about singing and chests and vocal chords and such.

It's the reason I find it hard to listen to 2003 to the present bootlegs because of the way it sounds; I love going to the shows, because I can't hear what I dislike, but when I listen to the bootleg, I hear it; it has somewhat to do with adding syllables to words, or extending word's ending with a wobbly sustaining of their lasty syllable. Hard to explain, but the best example that comes to mind is Corduroy. In 1995, Ed would sing "I don't want to take what you can't give." And each word when sung sounded like how I typed it. Now, it sounds more like this, " I don't wannaa take what you caaan't giivveee. I would rather staarrve thaan eatt youurr breeaadd." Or STBC, "See this needle, see my hand" in 1995. In 2005 Philly, "See this neeeddleee. See my haaanddd. Drop drop dropping ittt dowwwnnnn, ooh soo gennttlyyy." At a slightly higher pitch, if my ears don't deceive me.

Do you know what I'm talking about. I think it's more of a style than "his voice sucks because he smokes." I detect small signs of it on the 98 tour, and just a little on the 2000 tour, but he seems to have transitioned more or less all of the songs versions to this method. Kind of reminds me of what Dylan does to songs, but not in such an extreme manner


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 Post subject: Re: Ed's Live Voice vs. Studio Voice
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 Post subject: Re: Ed's Live Voice vs. Studio Voice
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You have to consider that there are many factors that influence how you hear the vocal live, from the soundboard mix to the venue acoustics. He's rarely sings out of key. He's a really great live singer.
In Munich his voice totally filled the place on No More, which was the only voice and guitar piece and you could actually hear something because the acoustics were so so. The boot sounds really good considering this.

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 Post subject: Re: Ed's Live Voice vs. Studio Voice
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Isaac Turner wrote:
Has anyone noticed that Ed sounds different on cds than he does live?

Is there any explanation for this? There are some other threads with posts by Mine and SLH and others who have insight about singing and chests and vocal chords and such.

It's the reason I find it hard to listen to 2003 to the present bootlegs because of the way it sounds; I love going to the shows, because I can't hear what I dislike, but when I listen to the bootleg, I hear it; it has somewhat to do with adding syllables to words, or extending word's ending with a wobbly sustaining of their lasty syllable. Hard to explain, but the best example that comes to mind is Corduroy. In 1995, Ed would sing "I don't want to take what you can't give." And each word when sung sounded like how I typed it. Now, it sounds more like this, " I don't wannaa take what you caaan't giivveee. I would rather staarrve thaan eatt youurr breeaadd." Or STBC, "See this needle, see my hand" in 1995. In 2005 Philly, "See this neeeddleee. See my haaanddd. Drop drop dropping ittt dowwwnnnn, ooh soo gennttlyyy." At a slightly higher pitch, if my ears don't deceive me.

Do you know what I'm talking about. I think it's more of a style than "his voice sucks because he smokes." I detect small signs of it on the 98 tour, and just a little on the 2000 tour, but he seems to have transitioned more or less all of the songs versions to this method. Kind of reminds me of what Dylan does to songs, but not in such an extreme manner

i know exactly what you are talking about and hopefully SLH can hook us up w/ some info b/c she obviously knows here shit

i always thought it was b/c he couldnt put the force into singing those lines, so he substitutes singing more notes-am i close?

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i understand what you mean and i agree :nice:

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Isaac Turner wrote:
Has anyone noticed that Ed sounds different on cds than he does live?

Is there any explanation for this? There are some other threads with posts by Mine and SLH and others who have insight about singing and chests and vocal chords and such.

One reason I don't really like 2003 to the present bootlegs is because of the way he sounds; I love going to the shows, because I can't hear what I dislike, but when I listen to the bootleg, I hear it; it has somewhat to do with adding syllables to words, or extending word's ending. Hard to explain, but the best example that comes to mind is Corduroy. In 1995, Ed would sing "I don't want to take what you can't give." And each word when sung sounded like how I typed it. Now, it sounds more like this, " I don't wannaa take what you caaan't giivveee. I would rather staarrve thaan eatt youurr breeaadd." Or STBC, "See this needle, see my hand" in 1995. In 2005 Philly, "See this neeeddleee. See my haaanddd. Drop drop dropping ittt dowwwnnnn, ooh soo gennttlyyy." At a slightly higher pitch, if my ears don't deceive me.

Do you know what I'm talking about.

i know what you're taling about but i'd have a hard time coming up with a comprehensive explanation to this - but i think that it's not a stylistic twist - it's more of a way to keep singing these songs with his aging voice.
btw, early PJ tunes, on which he sang with that "Seattle-trademark" voice of his that went much imitated afterwards, are a lot easier to sing with this "marbles in my mouth" mode than with his more epurated voice he's had since 95 or so.
as for studio vs. live vocals, it depends on the song, really.

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I have nothing technical to add. I'm curious to see what the knowing have to say, though. :thumbsup:

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I've already stated that I prefer my PJ studio, same applies for vocals (yeah not adding anything technical either)

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live 1998 ftw.

me and Cono are officially best friends after him saying this.

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Singing right takes a complicated use of many muscles. It's hard to control the voice when you've had some alcohol.

Here's a lesson and a funny anecdote from Maria Callas about the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1wf6TeeewI

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Is it possible it has something to do with the speed of the song; like, it's so fast with 1000-stallions-cameron, that it's hard to sing with the force and gravity that jack and dave allowed, so he sings at a higher pitch?


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Mine wrote:
Singing right takes a complicated use of many muscles. It's hard to control the voice when you've had some alcohol.

Here's a lesson and a funny anecdote from Maria Callas about the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1wf6TeeewI



But he'll start shows off this way, without alcohol abating his abilities (e.g. Corduroy as the opening song, or within the first two or three)


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Isaac Turner wrote:
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Singing right takes a complicated use of many muscles. It's hard to control the voice when you've had some alcohol.

Here's a lesson and a funny anecdote from Maria Callas about the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1wf6TeeewI



But he'll start shows off this way, without alcohol abating his abilities (e.g. Corduroy as the opening song, or within the first two or three)

He starts before :)
I think it might be "lighter" rather than higher in pitch. But as i wrote before the venue acoustics and mixing can make big differences in how you hear the vocal.
He has to save his voice to be able to sustain the full tour. The studio is a different story.

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like frank I have nothing technical to add and look forward to hearing from those who do


But aren't there two different things here. Some of this is just pronounciation, right? For whatever reason eddie will accent certain syllables, hold certain sounds longer, pronounce something slightly different. I am blanking on examples but I do notice it on the boots, and in general I am not a fan


I also prefer eddie studio to live, but I also tend to prefer pearl jam studio to live (and being at a show to both)

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live 1998 ftw.

me and Cono are officially best friends after him saying this.



what does ftw mean?


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Isaac Turner wrote:
Sunny wrote:
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live 1998 ftw.

me and Cono are officially best friends after him saying this.



what does ftw mean?


for the win.

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pearljamfan80 wrote:
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live 1998 ftw.

me and Cono are officially best friends after him saying this.



what does ftw mean?


for the win.



so what does live 1998 for the win mean-- that 1998 is when he started doing it? the 1998 is the best tour year-- I'm not up on the jargon


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Isaac Turner wrote:
pearljamfan80 wrote:
Isaac Turner wrote:
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live 1998 ftw.

me and Cono are officially best friends after him saying this.



what does ftw mean?


for the win.



so what does live 1998 for the win mean-- that 1998 is when he started doing it? the 1998 is the best tour year-- I'm not up on the jargon


The bolded part. It's okay, took me awhile too. ;)

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good to know...


Well, are there any other explanations, or are we just waiting for my two crazy and favorite bitches SLH and Alessiana to log onto this place and enlighten us all


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Isaac Turner wrote:
good to know...


Well, are there any other explanations, or are we just waiting for my two crazy and favorite bitches SLH and Alessiana to log onto this place and enlighten us all


I bet they have some juicy PM's to each other about how fucked up we all are.

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