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With the band going on its 18th year they've been around long enough to have separate eras. I was wondering if you were to draw a time line how would one define their stages. Here's what I was thinking: 90-94 (early success), 94-97 (turbulence & change) , 98 (Yield), 99-04 (middle age), 05-present (rebirth).
I don't like Yield having it's own era but I can't think of another way. It's an important album after a watershead and before a stetch of being great live but mixed results in the studio.
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I was trying to think outside of the album box. Obviously Ten/Vs are somewhat similiar as are Binaural and Riot Act. But Vitalogy bridges into No Code very well in retrospect even though No Code is generally accepted as their change of pace album. And the Canadian tour reflects the renewed energy and vigor of the band that came with S/T. It felt like Pearl Jam mattered outside of being a great live band. Will it continue on to the next record? Will it be a completely new album or will there be some leftovers purposely saved? And how will Into the Wild fit into the overall picture?
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lord vedder wrote:
With the band going on its 18th year they've been around long enough to have separate eras. I was wondering if you were to draw a time line how would one define their stages. Here's what I was thinking: 90-94 (early success), 94-97 (turbulence & change) , 98 (Yield), 99-04 (middle age), 05-present (rebirth).
I don't like Yield having it's own era but I can't think of another way. It's an important album after a watershead and before a stetch of being great live but mixed results in the studio.
I'd definitely give Yield it's own era, and i'd extened it to be 97-99.
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As I've said before, I always see it like this:
Ten, Vs. - Young Dumb and Full Of Cum Era (Gossard in control, begins to wane after the Ten tour)
Vitalogy, No Code - Eddie's Creative Overload/Danger of Implosion Era (Ed's dictatorship in full swing)
Yield, Binaural - Rebirth Era (Benign dictatorship mode for Ed from here on in)
EDIT: Actually, given that Yield and Binaural were written with 2 different drummers, I'd split them apart but they still have the same democratic vibe.
Riot Act - Ho-hum Democracy Era (or - Fuck Me We've Gotta Make A Post-9/11 Album! Era)
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dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
spenno wrote:
Ten - Vs.
Vitalogy - (Merkinball) - No Code - Yield
Binaural - Riot Act - Avocado
Yup.
You really think that Avocado goes with Binaural and Riot Act? s/t is completly different than those to albums and the band itself is different as well.
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binaural-riot act no code-yield
vitalogy
ten-vs. s/t-
those top two 'eras' stand alone. vitalogy i choose not to associate with ten or vs. it's lengths better than both, combined.
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it's more sinuous...
ten-vitalogy (studio; May '94)-------------------------------Yield---Binaural (June 98- Fall 2000)-----------S/T ------------------------------------Vitalogy-Yield (95-March '98)--------------------------------------Riot Act----
PD more or less has it, he only lacks Matt Cameron in the equation, which seems deliberate and I'm curious his explanation.
Binaural was PJ fulfilling it's studio debt due to Yield's success, at least tour-wise: the album was recorded within the constraints of the previous albums "2 years or less" output pace. It was the first album with Matt, but having toured most of the Yield album with him, it wasn't entirely new. After they toured for Binaural, they took a long hiatus with so much occurring personally in the lives of the band and in their nation, the Riot Act sessions are very difficult to argue for belonging in the same era. One could possibly argue the ukelele is the tie that binds Binaural to Riot Act, but as easy as it would be to smash one of those instruments, finding legitimate similarities between Binaural and Riot Act is as hard. The death Riot Act represents more or less is a sad closure to a band's career, yet revitalized by 4 years off and a plethora of more personal and geo-global happenings, culminating in the band finding a new lease on life and producing S/T.
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godsdice wrote:
warehouse wrote:
ten-vitalogy no code-yield binaural-riot act s/t-
thats about right
yeah, but if you were going to narrow it down to 3 I'd do
ten-vitalogy no code-riot act s/t to the present
For me the no code to riot act records are all of a piece--new approaches to songwriting, new singing style with ed, the descent down from the biggest band in the world with no real effort made to reclaim that mantle
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Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
dirtyfrank0705 wrote:
spenno wrote:
Ten - Vs.
Vitalogy - (Merkinball) - No Code - Yield
Binaural - Riot Act - Avocado
Yup.
You really think that Avocado goes with Binaural and Riot Act? s/t is completly different than those to albums and the band itself is different as well.
Until I see what comes next (meaning the tone of the new album), I have no trouble putting S/T with Binaural and Riot Act.
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OK I'm not saying that other opinions are wrong, but I think of Pearl Jam story going like this:
I think that Ten is an era of it's own. These musicians from Seatte and San Diego get to the studio and record something magical.. The whole Seattle scene explodes, the band earns itself reputation as a fierce live band thru legendary concerts. The burden of success doesn't yet affect the band that much, maybe some signs are Ed refusing to release Black as a single and Dave Krusen resigning.
Then starts another era that goes from Vs to Vitalogy to No code. They are the biggest band on planet but start to fight against their stardom. VS is more aggressive than Ten and strikes against issues personal and global. On Vitalogy they went even further with their anti-publicity stuff like releasing it on vinyl and the grammy acceptance speech. No Code took them to different musical direction, songwriting wasn't as anthemic as previous albums and it finally "paid off" as the sales didn't match the enormous success of VS and Vitalogy.
Then came Yield, with had more brighter and warmer feel and the soaring "Pearl Jam sound" came back with songs such as Given to Fly, In hiding and Faithfull. The band finally sounded like being comfortable with it success and continue releasing good albums and touring to packed arenas...
So my eras are:
Ten Vs - Vitalogy - No Code Yield - Binaural - Riot act - Self-titled
Ten - the band in action Vs- The band in action with some Ed songs Vitalogy/No Code- Some of the band, too many Ed song Yield - the band in action Binaural/Riot Act - too many non-Stone/Ed songs Avocado - Band in action
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it's more sinuous...
ten-vitalogy (studio; May '94)-------------------------------Yield---Binaural (June 98- Fall 2000)-----------S/T ------------------------------------Vitalogy-Yield (95-March '98)--------------------------------------Riot Act----
PD more or less has it, he only lacks Matt Cameron in the equation, which seems deliberate and I'm curious his explanation.
Binaural was PJ fulfilling it's studio debt due to Yield's success, at least tour-wise: the album was recorded within the constraints of the previous albums "2 years or less" output pace. It was the first album with Matt, but having toured most of the Yield album with him, it wasn't entirely new. After they toured for Binaural, they took a long hiatus with so much occurring personally in the lives of the band and in their nation, the Riot Act sessions are very difficult to argue for belonging in the same era. One could possibly argue the ukelele is the tie that binds Binaural to Riot Act, but as easy as it would be to smash one of those instruments, finding legitimate similarities between Binaural and Riot Act is as hard. The death Riot Act represents more or less is a sad closure to a band's career, as it also doubled as the band's last studio album under EPIC; yet, revitalized by 4 years off and a plethora of more personal and geo-global happenings culminating in the band finding a new lease on life, they emerge and produce "Pearl Jam" by Pearl Jam.
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