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thodoks · **Joined:** Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:19 pm **Posts:** 25134

stip wrote:

No Code in particular has some of the weakest moments on any of their records

hey cut them some slack they just hadn't entered their fixer phase yet

BigMan79 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:19 pm **Posts:** 21

mray10 wrote:

stip wrote:

ahh, I was thinking the lyric was she's flown away. It makes a little more sense with the he, but in the myth the 'into the sun' metaphor is about ambition and reaching beyond what you're capable of. Is that really the case here?

It's always possible that Eddie misunderstood the myth he was referencing

Haha, that made me laugh.

To me, the myth has always been about pride. Why do men fuck up? Mostly pride. Why do men lose women? Because they want more (women). They wanna fligh too high..

Angus · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:22 pm

I've only noticed this now on the TSIS mainpage:

* For a take on Stupid Mop as one of the truly essential tracks on Vitalogy I can’t do better than to refer you to Angus’ piece in his SOTM thread, which is as close to a definitive pro-stupid mop take that you’re gonna get. But since I don’t entirely agree with his take I can’t fully endorse it either, for all its excellence.

Thanks guys. Made me feel all fuzzy inside.

theplatypus · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:30 pm

thodoks wrote:

stip wrote:

No Code in particular has some of the weakest moments on any of their records

hey cut them some slack they just hadn't entered their fixer phase yet

clint72 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:54 pm

stip wrote:

Different is fine. And they are each trying to do different things. I'm not sure they succeed but the failure is striking in its way. That's fine too, and possibly more interesting. But I've long thought that No Code and Yield are the two most vastly overrated records in their entire catalog (overrated among fans). The overall crop of songs (on both albums) is uneven and No Code in particular has some of the weakest moments on any of their records. I've never come close to understanding why these records are revered the way they are. I wish I did. But Vitalogy is my favorite record of all time by anyone, whereas Yield and No Code are middiling and bottom tier pearl jam albums, respectively. I like them both fine (they're both PJ records after all, and i like all of them), but how so many of you guys consider these records of equal quality to Vitalogy is just baffling to me.

I wish digster would come back and finish his Yield thread. I was really enjoying that.

i agree with pretty well all of this.

4/5 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:29 pm

The outro of Last Exit going into the first few seconds of STBC is perfection.

homersheineken · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:31 pm

4/5 wrote:

The outro of Last Exit going into the first few seconds of STBC is perfection.

I just hear the cymbal crash die. Is there something else?

4/5 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:52 pm

homersheineken wrote:

4/5 wrote:

The outro of Last Exit going into the first few seconds of STBC is perfection.

I just hear the cymbal crash die. Is there something else?

I just mean the ending of Last Exit and the start of STBC go together so well. Not like there's anything between the songs.

clint72 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:50 am

The only PJ album I listen all the way through every once in a while. (except the last song)

Cameronia · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:57 pm

stip wrote:

Bugs

Flip to the page on Bugs in the Vitalogy songbook and you’ve got a great big picture of a cockroach, and that’s it. Not the most subtle moment in the booklet, but bugs is not a very subtle song...

You may be right, but I think you're looking too hard.

I was told by a reliable source that "Bugs" is just a sendup of The Frogs' "I've Got Drugs". Just Ed & the boys sitting around a microphone with a couple of alien instruments and proving that they CAN'T do what The Frogs do (making shit up off the top of their heads).

It is a piece of shit filler, but at least it's inspired by something cool.

Tig · **Joined:** Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:47 pm **Posts:** 863

I read something on 10c yesterday that Vitalogy is Pearl Jam's "White Album". I guess that makes No Code their Dark Side of the Moon...? :mrgreen:

PhilPritchard · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:58 pm

4/5 wrote:

homersheineken wrote:

4/5 wrote:

The outro of Last Exit going into the first few seconds of STBC is perfection.

I just hear the cymbal crash die. Is there something else?

I just mean the ending of Last Exit and the start of STBC go together so well. Not like there's anything between the songs.

I've never been that big on STBC, but the end of Last Exit itself is perfection. I can think of a few songs off the top of my head that finish with a huge buildup and then just abruptly stop, and there's something about that that I love.

dimejinky99 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:13 pm

For these ears, Last Exit is their best album opener by a long way. Top ten song too.

spy · **Joined:** Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:37 pm **Posts:** 20

just a quick question - stupid mop is just only - ed , jeff and jack ? and all guitar sounds belong to EV.?

VinylGuy · **Joined:** Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:23 am **Posts:** 4187

dimejinky99 wrote:

For these ears, Last Exit is their best album opener by a long way. Top ten song too.

i love that song , but Go is the best opener. No doubt about it.

spenno · **Posted:** Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:19 pm

Isaac Turner wrote:

stip wrote:

Isaac Turner wrote:

Stip,

What do you consider the last song on Vitalogy to be: Immortality or Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me?

Ike

Personally I considered it immortaltiy. I didn't really see aye davanita as part of my vitalogy either, with betterman and nothingman as good songs that didn't entirely fit the larger theme (which never troubled me and still doesn't). I've actually changed my view on nothingman in lieu of the first couple of songs, some things SLH said, and what not. When i sat down to write that this morning I noticed things I had never seen before

I'll need to go back and read Angus's Stupid Mop SOTM post again as he made a really great arguement for stupid mop in there. I'm not sure I believe it--wasn't sure then, am not sure now--but I'll try and decide. At either rate that entry will largely consist of a link to his post, which is the definitive piece on stupid mop in my estimation. IF the song has something to say, Angus found it.

It's baffling to me you 1) argue this is the band's only concept album 2) attempt to interpret every last iota according to said concept, despite how contrived it becomes in some instances and yet 3) have your "own" Vitalogy, a) selecting Immortality as the closer, though Ed chose a song his hands are all over in the form of Hey, FoxyMop and b) decide Aya Davanita doesn't really belong either.

Don't you realize that by ignoring what is there, you can't really speak to Vitalogy as a whole, much less what isn't there but between the lines, only your version of Vitalogy? The consequences of 3a and 3b result in you underselling the album.

You can now expect my version of a guided tour of Vitalogy in 2008. You're fucking ridiculous

and so dense and caught up in your belief of your ability to make better decisions for Vitalogy than the band, in accordance to your belief in some concept the band never suggested nor doesn't adhere to because if they did, track 14 wouldn't be on the album and Nothingman would also be about a man and his love for music. Shocking for a 30 year old PhD student to succomb to and committ such flagrant analysis.

Conscientiously objecting to the remainder of this thread, much to the delight of some probably. Stip, you're weak.

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