For those who haven't yet seen this:

I want to specifically focus on the audio aspect of this. Cameras as shows I can definitely live without. And by camera phones, I presume it means actually using the flash or videoing aspects of the cameras, and not broadly against the possession of phones.

The audio recording policy is in stark contrast to some of PJ's stances on audio recording over their history. What do you think?

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It sounds too formal and bigoted to be Eddie's personal request.
The tickets in Europe i got all stated the same thing btw.
I think it's some kind of a copyright issue. If he intends to release official boots this could be a request by the publisher and it would make sense. He doesn't have any kind of interest in forbidding taping and he knows it.

Woah, this is a bit of a shock, let's see what comes of this though, maybe something is in the pipeline...

Yeh, the camera thing I understand - Ed certainly doesn't like the flash too much, but the audio aspect really stinks considering his previous stance on things:



That's a pretty shitty position to take considering how vigorously and lovingly PJ audio shows are not only collected and catalogued, but respected by the PJ community. I can understand if that's the usual policy of the tour promoter or whatever but to have it stated on the ticket you can only assume that it will be a policy actively pursued. That's pretty fucking hostile.

New Camera/Recording Policy
that's not the general no-taping/camera stuff that's on pretty much every tickets in the world..this is a CHANGE of policy, one that is specific to Ed and therefore specifically requested.

the camera ban was predictable after the Vic, and it's clear to me that it was specifically requested by Ed, but the audio part is a major turn-around and one that I cannot think of a single justifiable reason for (Ed is not on a recording contract from what we know, there's no copyright issues but his own).

Even if it's planned to release official boots (and there's no indication there is), the PJ 00-06 tours still allowed private recordings and I don't believe it made a iota of difference in their sale.

it's an extremely disappointing move...I'm starting to think that the people that have been calling 'sell-out' are onto something..
won't be long before he cancels shows to attend some corporate/hollywood crap..

Even though you always seem to know it all we DO know that they dropped Basecamp. So if they/he have a contract with somebody else the 1st logical thing a publisher would request is no taping, they are ass holes is general knowledge.
Selling out is something else.
Policies like what is printed on tickets mean nothing practically. Is all about how security is instructed. The day Eddie or anybody else in the band kicks somebody out of a show because of taping we'll have something to talk about.

I don't know about this. That's a pretty specific thing to have on the ticket and this from the leader of a band whose fans are well known tapers. It's a ticket to an EV show and it says what it says in no uncertain terms.

I'm really hoping that we won't "have something to talk about" in the near future, but I've gotta tell you I'm not confident.

Tickets of the European promoter Eventim have this printed on by default, Zagreb ticked for example had it but people were still let in with cameras and recorders.
The polices in the music business are shittier than what people, especially PJ fans think, I've read a lot of totally idiotic things that artists had to sign. Also I'm not an expert but don't theaters have tougher policies about cameras and recorders than arenas?

This makes me feel a lot better.

's'funny, I've got Perth 2003 on my headphones and "I Am Mine" just started playing.

** has a drink to happy coincidences **

At first glance, this seems pretty shitty.

It definitely does.
I'm defending my position because I don't know what would Eddie have to earn from it, especially financially speaking, so I think this is the standard policy of another party involved with the tour. It's highly possible this is getting professionally recorded in my opinion because the movie was so poorly distributed that it still needs promotion if not for anything else for DVD sales.

Releasing the Gorge shows was light years closer to selling out than this.

the point is not what it says on the tickets, we all know it means nothing, it's pre-printed there for all shows.

the point is Tim (is the 10c huncho innit?) put a sticky on the Message Pit about it.
THAT means it's official policy and not a generic ticket thing.

The old policy was tougher than reality anyway. Still i don't see selling out here. What's to sell?

very interesting Ed...

It's disturbing, but I want to see how this plays out in terms of enforcement and offical boots before I really panic.

If anything, we could see official boots... and we all know that in the end, it's pretty easy to get those recordings. So as long as we are patient, this could be a good situation.

p.s. Do we have a poll somewhere for how many people actually buy Official downloads?

I wonder if this has more to do with the venues he's playing in. A lot of club- and theatre-size venues have no taping policies, often even regardless of the artist's general taping policy. If the venues he's playing in all have these policies then maybe that explains it.

I though about that too.

Uncle Google tells me the venues are to blame. Check the sites of the venues.