Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:37 pm
Stone's Bitch
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:06 am Posts: 3146 Location: Orange County, California
It's my favorite Pearl Jam-related song that's been released since Given to Fly. Ed's vocals are the main reason I am a huge PJ fan, and his voice just soars on this one. 5 stars.
_________________ I waited all day
you waited all day
but you left before sunset
and I just wanted to tell you
that the moment was beautiful
just wanted to dance to bad music
drive bad cars
watch bad tv
should have stayed for the sunset
if not for me
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:45 am
Force of Nature
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:10 am Posts: 459 Location: milwaukee
this may seem weird, but there's an indie radio station i listen to here in milwaukee, 102.1, and they play this song constantly. and because of that i think i got a little burned out on the song, but i can't deny that eddie's vocals are amazing. probably a 3.5 but closer to a 3. not that it affects my rating, but i prefer no ceiling, guaranteed, and rise on into the wild.
on a side note, one thing i find fascinating is the wide range of opinions on into the wild songs. it seems like everyone has a different favorite from the album and there's no consensus on the top tier.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:52 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:48 pm Posts: 4320 Location: Philadelphia, PA
sergeant wrote:
this may seem weird, but there's an indie radio station i listen to here in milwaukee, 102.1, and they play this song constantly. and because of that i think i got a little burned out on the song, but i can't deny that eddie's vocals are amazing. probably a 3.5 but closer to a 3. not that it affects my rating, but i prefer no ceiling, guaranteed, and rise on into the wild.
on a side note, one thing i find fascinating is the wide range of opinions on into the wild songs. it seems like everyone has a different favorite from the album and there's no consensus on the top tier.
You point out something that I've noticed, too. Everyone likes different songs. Everyone thinks that different songs are the best ones. It is interesting.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:59 am
Former PJ Drummer
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:37 pm Posts: 15767 Location: Vail, CO Gender: Male
SLH916 wrote:
sergeant wrote:
this may seem weird, but there's an indie radio station i listen to here in milwaukee, 102.1, and they play this song constantly. and because of that i think i got a little burned out on the song, but i can't deny that eddie's vocals are amazing. probably a 3.5 but closer to a 3. not that it affects my rating, but i prefer no ceiling, guaranteed, and rise on into the wild.
on a side note, one thing i find fascinating is the wide range of opinions on into the wild songs. it seems like everyone has a different favorite from the album and there's no consensus on the top tier.
You point out something that I've noticed, too. Everyone likes different songs. Everyone thinks that different songs are the best ones. It is interesting.
It means it is a very good record with lots of depth.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:10 pm
Global Moderator
Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am Posts: 44183 Location: New York Gender: Male
62strat wrote:
SLH916 wrote:
sergeant wrote:
this may seem weird, but there's an indie radio station i listen to here in milwaukee, 102.1, and they play this song constantly. and because of that i think i got a little burned out on the song, but i can't deny that eddie's vocals are amazing. probably a 3.5 but closer to a 3. not that it affects my rating, but i prefer no ceiling, guaranteed, and rise on into the wild.
on a side note, one thing i find fascinating is the wide range of opinions on into the wild songs. it seems like everyone has a different favorite from the album and there's no consensus on the top tier.
You point out something that I've noticed, too. Everyone likes different songs. Everyone thinks that different songs are the best ones. It is interesting.
It means it is a very good record with lots of depth.
I'll back that. I have strong opinions on this one, but if someone tells me they like society best I'm not gonna argue with them. It seems a reasonable choice even if it isn't mine
_________________ "Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:19 am
Mike's Maniac
Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:15 pm Posts: 188 Location: Dagobah System Gender: Male
First of all, bravo on the song review. I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, this is definitely not my favorite anymore.......for some reason, it kinda bothers me that the first single is a cover, like "its a good song, but eddie didnt write it, so how much credit can be given". I know thats ridiculous, his talent bring the song to life where it might not have a life with another singer.
I like Society, question though......is this really a cover, i was under the impression that Jerry (forget) wrote it with Eddie.
I would love Setting Forth if it were longer. It has such potential. Otherwise, I think Rise is my favorite now.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:08 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:48 pm Posts: 4320 Location: Philadelphia, PA
cougar9000 wrote:
I like Society, question though......is this really a cover, i was under the impression that Jerry (forget) wrote it with Eddie.
It is an original, written for the film. Sean Penn asked Jerry Hannan to write it before Eddie became involved with ITW. The released version of the song has Eddie singing the vocals, so I think that it isn't technically a cover, just not an original composition by Eddie. Just as the Judy Garland version of OVER THE RAINBOW is the original, even though she didn't write the song.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:49 pm
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Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am Posts: 44183 Location: New York Gender: Male
the best way to show your love for into the wild is to click on the link in my sig and vote for team pearljamfan80
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:17 am
Got Some
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:55 am Posts: 1776 Location: New York, NY
This is one of my favorites off this album (and a superb album it is). I've always been impressed by Eddie's arrangement of the song. It's not an arrangement that extends to a change in melody or chord progression; it's incredibly similar in those ways to the original by Indio (and alot of credit for this song must be given to Gordon Peterson, who wrote the song, after all). The original vocal is not defeatist, but cautious at best; it's simply what the vocal in the original is trying to achieve, despite the additions. So Eddie makes barely any changes, but the vocal choices he makes change the chorus from something that is hopeful yet unsure to something that is triumphant in every manner percievable. The lyrics of the chours almost seem pessimistic; "there's a big hard sun, beating on all the big people, in the big hard world." Eddie emphasizes the fact that we are "big people." He makes it clear, simply through his vocal, that the realization that the lives we live are difficult and at times unbearable is a miracle in itself, and there is strength to be found in the journey, even if we are pessimistic in our search. That realization is one that I think is a constant in Pearl Jam's work, and I'm always happy that Eddie's music is there to remind me of that fact; it's a feeling that's easy to lose track of.
Of all the ITW songs, this is the one I hope makes a transition to the full band; it's practically begging for the build and cacophony that could come with the five members pressing themselves as hard as they can. Also, I'm really happy to see Corin Tucker show up and deliver an incredible harmony vocal.
Also, in regards to the chorus going on too long, I disagree. I think it's such a great melody and something so easy to sing along to, that it becomes a mantra in a sense, a foundation for a crowd to sing along to and feel a greater sense of community. Probably another reason I want to see PJ try this in an arena-size crowd.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:20 am
Dave A's Slave
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:19 am Posts: 728 Location: Island Continent Gender: Male
Hard Sun drags on for a little too long IMO.
_________________ Vedder’s sticking with the underdog, McCready’s classicist rock solo, Gossard, Ament, and Abbruzzese’s solid yet organic and rootsy rhythm section. It’s earnest, it’s got tension, and that nod to classic rock. It’s Pearl Jam.
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:51 am
Global Moderator
Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am Posts: 44183 Location: New York Gender: Male
digster wrote:
This is one of my favorites off this album (and a superb album it is). I've always been impressed by Eddie's arrangement of the song. It's not an arrangement that extends to a change in melody or chord progression; it's incredibly similar in those ways to the original by Indio (and alot of credit for this song must be given to Gordon Peterson, who wrote the song, after all). The original vocal is not defeatist, but cautious at best; it's simply what the vocal in the original is trying to achieve, despite the additions. So Eddie makes barely any changes, but the vocal choices he makes change the chorus from something that is hopeful yet unsure to something that is triumphant in every manner percievable. The lyrics of the chours almost seem pessimistic; "there's a big hard sun, beating on all the big people, in the big hard world." Eddie emphasizes the fact that we are "big people." He makes it clear, simply through his vocal, that the realization that the lives we live are difficult and at times unbearable is a miracle in itself, and there is strength to be found in the journey, even if we are pessimistic in our search. That realization is one that I think is a constant in Pearl Jam's work, and I'm always happy that Eddie's music is there to remind me of that fact; it's a feeling that's easy to lose track of.
Of all the ITW songs, this is the one I hope makes a transition to the full band; it's practically begging for the build and cacophony that could come with the five members pressing themselves as hard as they can. Also, I'm really happy to see Corin Tucker show up and deliver an incredible harmony vocal.
Also, in regards to the chorus going on too long, I disagree. I think it's such a great melody and something so easy to sing along to, that it becomes a mantra in a sense, a foundation for a crowd to sing along to and feel a greater sense of community. Probably another reason I want to see PJ try this in an arena-size crowd.
posts like this make me sad when we disagree
_________________ "Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:36 am
Global Moderator
Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am Posts: 44183 Location: New York Gender: Male
digster wrote:
stip wrote:
posts like this make me sad when we disagree
Hopefully it's as rare an occurance as possible.
I'm trying with The Fixer; I really am.
no worries. I get people not liking The Fixer. What I don't understand is the hate. Never in a million years would I have imagined a song like that capable of stirring so much vitriol in the people who don't like
_________________ "Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:37 am
Global Moderator
Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am Posts: 44183 Location: New York Gender: Male
cutuphalfdead wrote:
fucking LOVE this song
have you heard the instrumental?
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Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:31 am
On the bright side
Joined: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:42 pm Posts: 17495 Location: Surfside Beach, SC Gender: Male
I agree with the review. When I heard the EV version, I then listened to Indio's version. The original lacked something, but EV's vocals gave it what it needed. 5 stars, love this one.
_________________ I remember thinking, "that's really gay". -- Cameronia
Post subject: Re: SOTM #121: When I walk beside her I am the better man...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:37 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 2:48 pm Posts: 3115 Location: Edinburgh/Lincoln, UK
Still wondering why PJ haven't played this yet, it would work really well anywhere in the encores. Stone playing acoustic, Ed doubling on electric, Mike using the e-bow over the verses. The outro would be great too, Matt could go crazy and Mike could do his big wanky solos.
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