i thought the exclusion of fairweather was odd, wasnt he even in some of the old clips?

i still get the drummer thing, crowe wanted this to be a "celebration of the band", so of course it was gonna be light on drama

He Did.

What's annoying is he didn't even do it in a way to make that seem interesting. If your gonna tell us about eddie give us something other than that story about his dad we've heard 3000 times.

And i hate that they didn't put in either Jeff or Mike's opinion on kurt cobain, namely that they didnt give a fuck about him. Either that or cut out the whole cobain segment. And most the andy wood stuff, and most the ticket master shit, and all those shots of the ocean, and did we really need to see jeff showing us his hometown..

And put in more music for the love of god.



If they'd have interjected a little drama in the middle, talked about how they almost broke up round vitalogy/no code etc. it would have made the celebration feel more worthwhile, shown that there's a reason to celebrate them still being around after 20 years, not just 'hey we were in a band back then and we're still a band now, go figure'.

Idk what do i know.

"The Kids Are Twenty" is pretty good.

Have to watch kids are twenty properly.

I have high hopes.

Is that soundcheck of Go on there?

im going for a double feature this weekend, help me:

pj twenty - hype

pj twenty - back and forth

pj twenty - some kind of monster

Hype! + Some Kind of Monster, surely.

That totally nailed it.

Bought Kids are Twenty on iTunes and watched on Monday. I am likely to watch it a lot more than the film and I really enjoyed a lot of the performances. Highlights include the version of Why Go, Even Flow (on the bonus features - they can actually play this slowly with groove, or was that Jack's influence), Walk with Me, Gonna See My Friend (surprisingly, although it might be because it was one of the few in HD on an HD film), DTE, Last Exit and Blood (anything from that Asia tour is great) and the Faithfull soundcheck. I don't get too excited by Alive and Betterman although it's nice to have them on there. There isn't much extra misc footage but I liked the extended Pukeko (New Zealand native bird) segment for patriotic reasons.

Of the Earth is really good.

The flow of the songs doesn't really work but it is good to have these performances; it certainly doesn't work as a standalone movie / narrative. It is a bit annoying that the quality of some of the footage isn't great - Walk with Me and Thumbing My Way appear to be ripped from a downscaled MPEG which is a real shame. I wasn't expecting it all to be in HD for obvious reasons but they could have at least sourced from the original tapes / film - for this reason some of the earlier footage is better quality than the later stuff which is crazy. The Even Flow extra is from the 95 movie and the Porch bit is decent but I won't watch again. I haven't experienced the level of boredom necessary to endure the Shadow footage yet.

From the Electrical Audio page:



It's quite amusing to read that thread as makes me realise how witty and sharp people are here - I mean RMers could be far more biting than this. I love how people deride Ed for being full of himself yet are the stereotypical 'indie kids' full of themselves and the bands that no one listens to (Example: "I never knew anyone in my very discerning and picky circle of friends and music fanatics who liked this band. No one liked this band. No one with any taste or artistic sense or self awareness thought this was a good band." Who is the tool?). One of them even hates on firefighters? WTF? I hope he dies in a house fire. And for people that don't claim to like Pearl Jam they seem to know an awful lot about them.

One of them did make a sharp observation about Stone though. He's asked what did they think about Eds climbing antics to which Stone replies 'he could have died. End of our career'(paraphrasing). So you can see why the indie crowd would zoom in on that as part of their validation for hating the band.

But as I said, a lot of their observations about Crowe's handling of the whole thing and the film itself, are spot on. Though they are terribly unfair about the band members themselves I thought.

i think in the end I was in the mood, in the year of PJ 20, for a celebration of the band and that's what the documentary was. And that's okay. We are allowed to occasionally enjoy Pearl Jam guilt free. A hard hitting insider look at the tensions in their past would have been more interesting, but probably not as enjoyable. A deeper look inside the creative process of writing the music would have been awesome. I was not concerned about the lack of full live footage in the theatrical release since it's not like high quality live pearl jam footage is hard to come by.

So I was and remain happy.

Later he apologizes and clarifies that he hated PJ because he was 18 when Ten came out

We may not understand each other on Foreign Affairs, stipster, but we understand each other on this.

Tomorrow is a holiday in Argentina. I will post my Small Change LALing (I'm almost halfway through) and Foreign Affairs as well.

i just started Blue Valentine. I wish I read this post first. That's okay though. I trust the attention span of that thread to handle multiple records

I don't think its an "indie" thing per say. Its more of a punk thing, the dyi ethic. And board is an older crowd. Shit, if I had been eighteen or even exposed to other more bands of the era, the Tads, the Mudhoneys, Big Black, Husker Du, and shit like that, yeah I would definitely be repulsed by Pearl Jam. Especially up until 94-95.

diy=indie

and none of this has to do w/ music

I saw the movie in NYC back in September, and I really really loved it.

I just finished watching the Deluxe DVD.

Well, I'm very pretty happy

you guys are such an easy mark.

some random guy with an incredibly specific viewpoint about what seattle music is/should be makes a comment about how bruce fucking fairweather needs to be in the PJ20 doc and you guys melt with stars in your eyes - "this guy is so on the mark!"

that guy was just happy he was able to find use for his most recent wikipedia search for green river.

he could not be further from the mark. he doesn't know where the mark is. out of all the things omitted from this documentary, bruce fucking fairweather comes in at #1,753 with a bullet. i think i'd rather hear from adam sandler about how he put together his genius pj/operaman bit. then i'd cut my ears off when they got to the hallowed bruce fucking fairweather interview.

get a grip. at a certain point, you're looking for any excuse to hate. there are plenty of reasons to find this doc flawed. the omission of the almighty bruce fucking fairweather is not one of them.