Look, we obviously all enjoy PJ's music...

...but, isn't it ironic more than 10 years after a band challeneged Ticketmaster for being a monopoly, there are rumors about the band only selling thier album through 2 sources? Outside of the way they sell their album, the ten club have restricted use to only members. Some what facist, they are. I remember hearing that Ed scolded Adam Duritz for using a Counting Crows song in a Coke commercial.... you kidding me, now?

I still love PJs music, but if much of this new news is true, it's simply lending more evidence to them bailing on all of the ideals they've built over the past 15 years. That doesn't really affect the music, but it does affect their credibility.

For the bands sake, I hope this isn't true.

make this post when its not a rumor.

thanks.

selling out is okay since the who did it

this may just be the political scientist in me, but this has absolutely nothing to do with fascism. The english language has a lot of words in it and there are adjectives we can draw on for stuff we don't like that are more appropriate

But that aside, I want to wait to really hear what the deal is before i comment too much. But if it is true

1--this will feel asthetically wrong to me

2--I'm glad it was target, rather than wal-mart

3--I don't know enough about how the industry works anymore to know if these kinds of deals are the only viable way to promote a record/make money

4--Pearl Jam is allowed to make money

5--If this leads to greater exposure/sales I'll be happy for the band and probably call the move a success

6--It'll still feel asthetically wrong to me

7--If it is a great record I won't care that much.

8--If target uses the song to promote the store that won't bother me too much, as there is some direct connection between the music and the store (come here--we sell this)--this to me is different than liscensing a song to sell an unrelated product

9--There are only a handful of artists I'll actually buy music from anymore. PJ happens to be one of them, but if this is what it takes for the band to move their merchandise I have to acknwoldege that while I don'tl ike how it feels, I'm in some way responsible for this state of things.

I was just at my 10 year college reunion this weekend and I went to my old record store where I'd spend 50 bucks a pop buying shitty Pearl Jam bootlegs (go go late 90s!). It was this cool little independent record store and today it looks like a sam goody. When I was in college I bought all my music, spent a fuck ton of money, and helped support those stores. Today, when I ironically have more moeny to spend, I find myself undermining the old retail music model and putting stores like Bull Moose out of business by just not paying for music. If I don't like the Target thing, I have to at least acknwoledge that the game has changed and that i've played a roll in changing it.

10--in the end I won't care much, and will probably find the decision a reasonable one, but it'll still feel wrong

11--Nevertheless, I'll pop EVERY time I see a commercial for the record, or a target commerical featuring a PJ song

See, this is the bit I don't get. If it's an artist I'm a fan of, I still always buy their album on CD (and vinyl, if I can get it). Is this whole downloading thing really that rampant? All I download is unofficial live recordings, really, and for those artists I have bought all their albums already. I guess I'm just naive as to the extent of the problem.

vedder has been sporting the target logo on his shit for a while

i think someone already made the who joke

using the mod symbol is cool because the who did it

i don't think that's what they meant
and mine better

no i mean they already posted the who target in a pic

Good for them.
Now maybe he'll shut up about the 'haves" and the "have nots" (which they've been exploiting for at least 5 years now) and play some songs instead of drunken, nonsensical rants.

yes, you are very naive. as far as stealing music goes...its big.

Define "rumor." Did your mom tell you this? Did you dream it? Shouldn't we require some burden of proof before we start judging Pearl Jam? Otherwise, there's a thread about AC/DC's Black Ice that serves the purpose of imagining what it would be like if Pearl Jam were corporate whores.

Nearly everyone I know in the real world still buys music. If not on CD, from iTunes or what have you. So I guess if you don't hang out with rampant downloaders, you don't really notice how bad the problem is.

This band was so much better when they were singing about incest.

that firecloud guy posted a bit about this in the new song/video thread. I wouldn't upgrade it beyond rumor yet B but it seems possible

Sexier at least.

You know, in Chinese the word for 'problem' also means 'opportunity'. I saw in on a tattoo somewhere.
Anyway... "rampant" would be an understatement. 10 years ago there were 6 record stores in my town. now there's just Tower Records at the mall, and most of their stock is DVD's and electronics. it's a different world then what it was when Pearl Jam were making all those grand statements.

I learned chinese from tattoos too!