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Not believing in or being a part of a religion does not an athiest make.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
PJ addict wrote:
Does it make a difference if he is or not? Should it?
Enjoy the music.
If we did that, this message board wouldn't exist.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
Ed talks about the "time...there was no God" and "before religion." That seems pretty ignorant to me that he thinks "pre-historic" man did not have myth, God, religion, et al.
Ed talks about the "time...there was no God" and "before religion." That seems pretty ignorant to me that he thinks "pre-historic" man did not have myth, God, religion, et al.
I would think that Ed is referring to the days before the organized religions that exist today...particularly Christianity. I don't think he meant that religion didn't exist prior to 2000 years ago. But you don't see the beliefs of older civilizations exist in great numbers today. Religions, Gods, and beliefs exist with various civilizations until they are conquered by other civilizations and other religions, Gods, and beliefs are instilled. You don't see people worship the Sun as a God much nowadays, like you did in various civilizations thousands of years ago (although the fact that the Sun gives life to this planet makes much more sense than crediting some invisible man that no one has ever seen does), because Sun worshippers were conquered by people who had similar beliefs that still exist today. All religion is, is a form of traditional control that the powerful instill on the weak. Men make Gods, not the other way around.
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recman88 wrote:
blackjaw wrote:
Ed talks about the "time...there was no God" and "before religion." That seems pretty ignorant to me that he thinks "pre-historic" man did not have myth, God, religion, et al.
I would think that Ed is referring to the days before the organized religions that exist today...particularly Christianity. I don't think he meant that religion didn't exist prior to 2000 years ago. But you don't see the beliefs of older civilizations exist in great numbers today. Religions, Gods, and beliefs exist with various civilizations until they are conquered by other civilizations and other religions, Gods, and beliefs are instilled. You don't see people worship the Sun as a God much nowadays, like you did in various civilizations thousands of years ago (although the fact that the Sun gives life to this planet makes much more sense than crediting some invisible man that no one has ever seen does), because Sun worshippers were conquered by people who had similar beliefs that still exist today. All religion is, is a form of traditional control that the powerful instill on the weak. Men make Gods, not the other way around.
All religions are from the first one, that being of the Vedas. Which are millions and millions years old.
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blackjaw wrote:
Ed talks about the "time...there was no God" and "before religion." That seems pretty ignorant to me that he thinks "pre-historic" man did not have myth, God, religion, et al.
I don't think it's ignorant. There was a time before religion, especially organized religion. I myself am not sure we have ever been very free of gods because our intelligence lets us anticipate things, fearful things. Also, our intelligence demands answers. Why is there night? Because the turtle god swallows the sun. Where do we go when we die? To heaven or to hell--I guess just ceasing to be is to terrible too contemplate. But, at any rate, there was a far longer time in our history when there were thousands of gods, with no one (or handful) of gods dominant. And there must have been pockets of time when there was no god at all. The sun disappeared because it did, and that was that. You did things because they worked for you and your small band, not because a god told you you had to.
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captainloveboat wrote:
www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/quote-v.htm Idid not know that!
Have you not been paying attention to song lyrics for the past 14 years? I'd say that fact is quite obvious.
_________________ When the last living thing Has died on account of us, How poetical it would be If Earth could say, In a voice floating up Perhaps From the floor Of the Grand Canyon, "It is done. People did not like it here.''
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