Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:35 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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I'm not as bothered as I used to be about collecting all the boots...I don't have the money or enthusiasm. I like the idea of a concise, solid and consistent album - like Live On Two Legs. It'll be good for the average fan.
Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:36 am
Master of Meh
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I really hope that this isn't just a newer version of LO2L - who would they be trying to sell it to?
Surely they know the hardcore fans are likely to be the only ones who'll shell out for a big deluxe edition, however they're also those who very likely already own all the shows already, so...
Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:43 am
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iceagecoming wrote:
I'm not as bothered as I used to be about collecting all the boots...I don't have the money or enthusiasm. I like the idea of a concise, solid and consistent album - like Live On Two Legs. It'll be good for the average fan.
I don't have the money either but I have the 2010 boots.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:21 pm
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spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
randallanddarcy wrote:
Sony would only own what they were contracted. Which is obviously x amount of studio albums plus the live album (Live on 2 Legs). Sony don't own the live material from the time the band spent on the lable.
That's not necessarily true. They may have rights to everything recorded while the band was under contract. As far as i know this is the default.
It is with most bands, but it's very possible the band negotiated (or renegotiated) to own their own live recordings - you'd have to imagine they would've been in a pretty good bargaining position once Ten and Vs went gangbusters.
The Vegas '93 show could stand as pretty good evidence that they're free to release their older live material however they wish. I don't remember if the guy who runs Kufala posted it himself on the Pit, or if someone emailed him and posted his response, but I distinctly recall the question being posed to him if there was any chance of Kufala releasing vintage PJ boots and his response was that it was certainly something that had been discussed.
They didn't actually release it, they gave it away as a bonus. Also it's a different matter to release one show or release a lot of them. Mayors are known to be hard to work with on this things. Live recordings are a very complex issue so it's always hard to say. Consider that The Wolfgang's vault is selling recordings that were released previously.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:32 pm
Master of Meh
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Mine wrote:
spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
randallanddarcy wrote:
Sony would only own what they were contracted. Which is obviously x amount of studio albums plus the live album (Live on 2 Legs). Sony don't own the live material from the time the band spent on the lable.
That's not necessarily true. They may have rights to everything recorded while the band was under contract. As far as i know this is the default.
It is with most bands, but it's very possible the band negotiated (or renegotiated) to own their own live recordings - you'd have to imagine they would've been in a pretty good bargaining position once Ten and Vs went gangbusters.
The Vegas '93 show could stand as pretty good evidence that they're free to release their older live material however they wish. I don't remember if the guy who runs Kufala posted it himself on the Pit, or if someone emailed him and posted his response, but I distinctly recall the question being posed to him if there was any chance of Kufala releasing vintage PJ boots and his response was that it was certainly something that had been discussed.
They didn't actually release it, they gave it away as a bonus. Also it's a different matter to release one show or release a lot of them. Mayors are known to be hard to work with on this things. Live recordings are a very complex issue so it's always hard to say. Consider that The Wolfgang's vault is selling recordings that were released previously.
The Vegas show was for sale like a regular boot, not a bonus (are you thinking of the NYE '92 show?), but yeah, it's impossible for us to the specifics of their actual deal.
Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:34 pm
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spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
randallanddarcy wrote:
Sony would only own what they were contracted. Which is obviously x amount of studio albums plus the live album (Live on 2 Legs). Sony don't own the live material from the time the band spent on the lable.
That's not necessarily true. They may have rights to everything recorded while the band was under contract. As far as i know this is the default.
It is with most bands, but it's very possible the band negotiated (or renegotiated) to own their own live recordings - you'd have to imagine they would've been in a pretty good bargaining position once Ten and Vs went gangbusters.
The Vegas '93 show could stand as pretty good evidence that they're free to release their older live material however they wish. I don't remember if the guy who runs Kufala posted it himself on the Pit, or if someone emailed him and posted his response, but I distinctly recall the question being posed to him if there was any chance of Kufala releasing vintage PJ boots and his response was that it was certainly something that had been discussed.
They didn't actually release it, they gave it away as a bonus. Also it's a different matter to release one show or release a lot of them. Mayors are known to be hard to work with on this things. Live recordings are a very complex issue so it's always hard to say. Consider that The Wolfgang's vault is selling recordings that were released previously.
The Vegas show was for sale like a regular boot, not a bonus (are you thinking of the NYE '92 show?), but yeah, it's impossible for us to the specifics of their actual deal.
I think you accidentally a word there.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:36 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
randallanddarcy wrote:
Sony would only own what they were contracted. Which is obviously x amount of studio albums plus the live album (Live on 2 Legs). Sony don't own the live material from the time the band spent on the lable.
That's not necessarily true. They may have rights to everything recorded while the band was under contract. As far as i know this is the default.
It is with most bands, but it's very possible the band negotiated (or renegotiated) to own their own live recordings - you'd have to imagine they would've been in a pretty good bargaining position once Ten and Vs went gangbusters.
The Vegas '93 show could stand as pretty good evidence that they're free to release their older live material however they wish. I don't remember if the guy who runs Kufala posted it himself on the Pit, or if someone emailed him and posted his response, but I distinctly recall the question being posed to him if there was any chance of Kufala releasing vintage PJ boots and his response was that it was certainly something that had been discussed.
They didn't actually release it, they gave it away as a bonus. Also it's a different matter to release one show or release a lot of them. Mayors are known to be hard to work with on this things. Live recordings are a very complex issue so it's always hard to say. Consider that The Wolfgang's vault is selling recordings that were released previously.
The Vegas show was for sale like a regular boot, not a bonus (are you thinking of the NYE '92 show?), but yeah, it's impossible for us to the specifics of their actual deal.
I think you accidentally a word there.
I was waiting for this, Chud. It should get old, but it never does!
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:43 pm
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Guys, the fucking cat my roommate's ex girlfriend left with us has peed on both couches in less than 18 hours.
That's riveting, chud, but
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:55 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Sorry, the second one just happened.
I think you should start taking responsibility for your posting, chud.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:57 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
spenno wrote:
Mine wrote:
randallanddarcy wrote:
Sony would only own what they were contracted. Which is obviously x amount of studio albums plus the live album (Live on 2 Legs). Sony don't own the live material from the time the band spent on the lable.
That's not necessarily true. They may have rights to everything recorded while the band was under contract. As far as i know this is the default.
It is with most bands, but it's very possible the band negotiated (or renegotiated) to own their own live recordings - you'd have to imagine they would've been in a pretty good bargaining position once Ten and Vs went gangbusters.
The Vegas '93 show could stand as pretty good evidence that they're free to release their older live material however they wish. I don't remember if the guy who runs Kufala posted it himself on the Pit, or if someone emailed him and posted his response, but I distinctly recall the question being posed to him if there was any chance of Kufala releasing vintage PJ boots and his response was that it was certainly something that had been discussed.
They didn't actually release it, they gave it away as a bonus. Also it's a different matter to release one show or release a lot of them. Mayors are known to be hard to work with on this things. Live recordings are a very complex issue so it's always hard to say. Consider that The Wolfgang's vault is selling recordings that were released previously.
The Vegas show was for sale like a regular boot, not a bonus (are you thinking of the NYE '92 show?), but yeah, it's impossible for us to the specifics of their actual deal.
Yeah i mixed them up. I remember someone said that they had issues with getting a deal with Sony about the old live recordings.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:27 pm
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So, we've ascertained PJ can release old shows then.
If so, PJ can license out old shows to whomever they like (including Universal) for release, just like they did the last studio album.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:35 pm
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spenno wrote:
stip wrote:
Guys, if Pearl Jam doesn't own their back live catalog (people are intimating they don't) and they release basically every single show after they happen, there are limits to what kind of deluxe live album they can put out.
Well, now I think about it, they managed to release that Vegas '93 show themselves without too much hassle. Hmm.
but when they released the vegas show they were still on sony
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:41 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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Remind me...what year was that 'vault' show released. I genuinely forget. It was a while ago alright.
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:27 pm
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wasn't the vegas show basically a fan boot?
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Post subject: Re: Death on Two Legs Limited Edition Super Deluxe Box Set
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:40 pm
Master of Meh
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adamdude wrote:
spenno wrote:
stip wrote:
Guys, if Pearl Jam doesn't own their back live catalog (people are intimating they don't) and they release basically every single show after they happen, there are limits to what kind of deluxe live album they can put out.
Well, now I think about it, they managed to release that Vegas '93 show themselves without too much hassle. Hmm.
but when they released the vegas show they were still on sony
Remind me...what year was that 'vault' show released. I genuinely forget. It was a while ago alright.
(see above)
stip wrote:
wasn't the vegas show basically a fan boot?
You're thinking of New Year's Eve '92, which was included as a bonus with the 10C edition of S/T (which is still for sale on their website). That was an audience recording.
Vegas was a proper soundboard recording and was for sale on Basecamp like the other official boots from the time.
randallanddarcy wrote:
So, we've ascertained PJ can release old shows then.
If so, PJ can license out old shows to whomever they like (including Universal) for release, just like they did the last studio album.
Let's hope so. The above seems to suggest they have a little bit of freedom in that regard, so hopefully that's the case.
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