Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:44 pm
The Snowboy
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:53 pm Posts: 11395
VinylGuy wrote:
Harmless wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
Harmless wrote:
Even Ten goes a bit floppy on the second half. So regardless of which second halves you prefer, it seems to be the case that all of their albums suffer from that problem.
I'm gonna try something... forgive me and/or indulge me:
TEN A: 4.20 B: 4.12 .08 difference in favor of Side One
VS A: 4.00 B: 4.33 .33 difference in favor of Side Two
Vitalogy A: 4.29 B: 4.14 .15 difference in favor of Side One
No Code A: 4.34 B: 3.29 1.05 difference in favor of Side One
Yield A: 4.00 B: 3.86 .14 difference in favor of Side One
Binaural A: 3.71 B: 4.34 .63 difference in favor of Side Two
Riot Act A: 3.86 B: 3.38 .48 difference in favor of Side One
S/T A: 4.00 B: 3.75 .25 difference in favor of Side One
Backspacer A: 4.00 B: 3.83 .17 difference in favor of Side One
2 of 9 w/ a stronger Side Two (VS and Binaural). 7 of 9 w/ a stronger Side One.
Ten has the lowest difference between sides, making it, numerically, the most consistent. No Code has the biggest difference, making it, numerically, the least consistent. Binaural has the biggest difference in favor of Side Two No Code has the biggest difference in favor of Side One
Of course, this is all based on a scale of 0-5, and this is just my humble opinion.
If I were to rank these according to my own numerical consistency it would go: 1. Ten (most consistent from beginning to end) 2. Yield 3. Vitalogy 4. Backspacer 5. S/T 6. VS 7. Riot Act 8. Binaural 9. No Code (least consistent)
Obviously, none of this factors in the intangibles, the pieces as a whole, the album experience, as it were.
In order of preference: 1. Vitalogy 2. Ten 3. Riot Act 4. Yield 5. Backspacer 6. VS 7. No Code 8. S/T 9. Binaural
I'm really not a numbers guy, so don't understand half of what you did there. But for the results, kudos, even if I wouldn't agree with your rankings.
Are you the guy from that video in the pj20 dvd??
I still haven't seen all of pj20. But, I don't think so. Do you wish I was?
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:46 pm
Supersonic
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:55 pm Posts: 11320 Location: Brooklyn Gender: Male
I was curious how much I really agreed with the notion that PJ always have inferior second halves of albums. A mostly meaningless exercise to kill some down time at work.
I appreciate that anyone really took the time to read any of it, frankly.
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:53 pm
Global Moderator
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I immediately wanted to go do what you just did, DcT, but I won't have the block of time today
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Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:09 pm
Supersonic
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:55 pm Posts: 11320 Location: Brooklyn Gender: Male
I look forward to your analysis, stip.
Looking back at my post, it's interesting to me that Riot Act is my 3rd favorite album, but it's also the only one that didn't get at least a 4.00 on either side. Just goes to show how little these numbers games can tell you about what you like and why.
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:07 pm
The Snowboy
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:53 pm Posts: 11395
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I don't know. I think S/T is pretty consistent. Some songs up front that I'd cut and some songs down the stretch that I'd cut.
Exactly. I mean, it starts with Life Wasted!
It's just occured to me that username: "durdencommatyler" seems to be saying the following: he doesn't agree with me that this a pretty bad album. It's got some pretty great songs, but also some songs which are awful and shouldn't be there.
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:18 pm
Supersonic
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:55 pm Posts: 11320 Location: Brooklyn Gender: Male
Harmless wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I don't know. I think S/T is pretty consistent. Some songs up front that I'd cut and some songs down the stretch that I'd cut.
Exactly. I mean, it starts with Life Wasted!
It's just occured to me that username: "durdencommatyler" seems to be saying the following: he doesn't agree with me that this a pretty bad album. It's got some pretty great songs, but also some songs which are awful and shouldn't be there.
I do disagree that S/T is a "pretty bad album". While there are some songs I'd gladly remove (and tend to skip) there are some outstanding tracks as well. There are a handful of 4 and 5 star songs throughout the album. The only real issue I have with the album is the production.
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:20 pm
Supersonic
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:55 pm Posts: 11320 Location: Brooklyn Gender: Male
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I don't know. I think S/T is pretty consistent. Some songs up front that I'd cut and some songs down the stretch that I'd cut.
Exactly. I mean, it starts with Life Wasted!
Life Wasted has grown on me. But I'd still call it a pretty mediocre track.
I think the two really big differences between my take on S/T and pretty much everyone else's is that I really dislike Comatose and I really love Gone.
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:00 pm
Global Moderator
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life wasted is even more awesome than the fixer
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Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:42 pm
Johnny Guitar
Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:44 am Posts: 129
stip wrote:
come back and the reprise are really the only songs after parachutes that I like (but I like come back a lot and it was fun to see pearl jam write that kind of song, even though the production on S/T was not necessarily the best place for it). But that first block of songs is so strong that the album still ends up ranking in the top half of their catalog (or maybe at the top of the second half)
I hate to say it but I love gone. Aol version is amazing.
Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:49 pm
Global Moderator
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i really liked gone when it first appeared (I think I gush about it in the S/T review I wrote for RM), but it hasn't aged well for me
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Post subject: Re: Let's actually listen to the albums: Backspacer edition
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:38 am
Force of Nature
Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:47 pm Posts: 863
got some wrote:
stip wrote:
come back and the reprise are really the only songs after parachutes that I like (but I like come back a lot and it was fun to see pearl jam write that kind of song, even though the production on S/T was not necessarily the best place for it). But that first block of songs is so strong that the album still ends up ranking in the top half of their catalog (or maybe at the top of the second half)
I hate to say it but I love gone. Aol version is amazing.
For this, I forgive you for liking Got Some. for me, Gone is a 4-or-5 star song.
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