Personally, I think it more came from the fact that they were creating a lot more as a band for Vs. through No Code, as opposed to working from initial demos (I believe the band has said a good chunk of Vs., Vitalogy and No Code came out of impromptu jams).

OMG - WE ARE SO PWNED. I WISH I COULD USE QUOTATION MARKS AND EMOTICONS LIKE YOU.

Oooooouch I've been flamed! I bestow upon you the rank of Keyboard Warrior, First Rank.

This is the nature of bands, and as fans I think it's more than fine to speculate. How the band members relate to each other has everything to do with how the music comes out. We hear the music, see the writing credits, and we speculate, cause it all plays into the music, which we are the consumers of. I personally see a gaping hole in the collaborative relationship between Stone and Ed. I think it's a perfectly valid subject matter, and it's not addressed enough. I consider Hard to Imagine and In Hiding to be classics of the Ed/Stone relationship. It takes the best of what they both do and puts it altogether, something that can only come from the 2 of them and no one else. I don't expect a repeat, but I do want to know, as a fan, where that relationship is cause I don't see it progressing in the music.

I will admit that the only reason I made this thread was because I saw Romancing the Stone was on TV and it made me giggle.

fuck you, troll.

I did love the thread title.

This was my first thought. If anything I would say that Stone has gotten happier and more comfortable over the last 10 years than the other way around. He is taking more solo's in the show, he is obviously conscious of his tone ( I wish McCready thought it through more. That fucking high pitched shit in the middle of Even Flow.....), his guitar and writing heavily influenced the last 2 records. I get the feeling he has a huge interest in things being a certain way and maybe gets frustrated when they aren't, but he is obviously heavily interested and engaged in this whole process (business, shows, records, etc.)

Tuolumne, would you support the implementation of an Ed/Stone-centered reality program on which the ups and downs of their relationship can be documented in full detail before a prime time audience?

You misunderstood my point. I was talking about the supposed change in leadership after Ten, and why the songwriting dynamic stopped being almost exclusively Gossard/Vedder after that album. 'Grunge-riff-rockery' was in reference to Ten.

Agreed. But it's also hard to deny that the bands sound and approach to song writing changed after Ten. The hard rock aesthetic survived through Vs and Vitalogy and remained the backbone to their records, but the grungey, pentatonic riffs that defined Ten never really resurfaced (for better or worse).

This X 100. He looked like he was having a blast during the Temple sets.

To a degree, I’d agree with that, although again I think that had to do with them creating more as a band than this concisious need to take the reins from the Gossard/Vedder combo. I think it was all much more instinctual than that. Also, Eddie having a larger musical voice had to do with it. I think a lot of it also had to do with the songwriters just evolving from that period of time. I mean, a year after Porch, Ed was writing Reaverviewmirror, a year after Ten Stone was writing Daughter. I think they just weren’t being static.

If Stone sucking the cow tit 3 years ago doesn't say he's having fun, nothing will.

i would, imo.

jorge, you can't just make a thread, then exist only as a cardboard cutout in it.

yeah, that was the point I was trying to make all along. I agree it was instinctual. I think (unselfconsciously) they realised there was no need or interest in creating songs musically like those on Ten.

Stone was the 'leader' of the band like 17 years ago. If he was gonna have quit the band over that it would have been a LONG time ago. If he is harboring resentments 17 years, millions of dollars, critical acclaim, legions of devoted fans, a movie about your band, and a sure fire first round induction into the R+R hall of fame later then he's pretty petty.

What in the hell is "PiL"