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| Author: | southp [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Wow, it looks like they really got this right. $20 for a download is a bit steep however. |
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| Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
southp wrote: Wow, it looks like they really got this right. $20 for a download is a bit steep however. $20 is way too much. Want to discourage piracy? Make them $7-10. |
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| Author: | southp [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Monkey_Driven wrote: southp wrote: Wow, it looks like they really got this right. $20 for a download is a bit steep however. $20 is way too much. Want to discourage piracy? Make them $7-10. Wait until the demon rises again!....umm...yeah, I meant the torrent site. |
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| Author: | Angus [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
southp wrote: Monkey_Driven wrote: southp wrote: Wow, it looks like they really got this right. $20 for a download is a bit steep however. $20 is way too much. Want to discourage piracy? Make them $7-10. Wait until the demon rises again!....umm...yeah, I meant the torrent site. I'm checking every day 
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| Author: | VinylGuy [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Angus wrote: southp wrote: Monkey_Driven wrote: southp wrote: Wow, it looks like they really got this right. $20 for a download is a bit steep however. $20 is way too much. Want to discourage piracy? Make them $7-10. Wait until the demon rises again!....umm...yeah, I meant the torrent site. I'm checking every day me too...i missed them. What´s the word on them? are they gone forever? |
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| Author: | spenno [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Monkey_Driven wrote: southp wrote: Wow, it looks like they really got this right. $20 for a download is a bit steep however. $20 is way too much. Want to discourage piracy? Make them $7-10. You're acting like they're all $20 - the MP3s are $9.99, for instance. I'm very happy to pay $20 for some 24/96 uncompressed ALACs, something they've never offered before, cheaper options exist for people who aren't so worried about sound quality. I might be wrong, but I think the MP3s and FLACs are the exact same price as they've always been. |
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| Author: | Rebar [ Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Is there that much sound quality difference between ALAC's and FLAC's? That was a serious question, btw. |
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| Author: | spenno [ Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Rebar wrote: Is there that much sound quality difference between ALAC's and FLAC's? That was a serious question, btw. ALAC and FLAC will sound identical, they're just two different lossless formats (like WAV and AIFF). It just depends on what you want: ALAC is an Apple format, which suits me fine since I only use iTunes and my iPod, but FLAC is probably more generally usable. The HD FLAC and ALAC will likewise sound the same as each other, but they're of a higher resolution than the normal lossless files (24 bit vs 16 bit, which is what CDs and regular FLAC/ALAC files are). |
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| Author: | spenno [ Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Haven't heard the second encore yet, but this is a pretty solid show for the beginning of a tour. I have no real issues with Ed's voice, which was a pleasant surprise; he even gives Do the Evolution some serious gnarl. Performance aside, the mix is superb. Looking forward to hearing Berlin 2 and Amsterdam 2. |
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| Author: | KurtLeon [ Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
spenno wrote: Haven't heard the second encore yet, but this is a pretty solid show for the beginning of a tour. I have no real issues with Ed's voice, which was a pleasant surprise; he even gives Do the Evolution some serious gnarl. Performance aside, the mix is superb. Looking forward to hearing Berlin 2 and Amsterdam 2. Something is really wrong here guys. |
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| Author: | Angus [ Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
that bridge in Pilate, friends, that bridge. 
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| Author: | twoheadedboy [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
$20 for 24/96 is not a big deal at all...look at what DVD-A and SA-CD's cost. That's what this is "competing" with. |
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| Author: | spenno [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
I'd be very interested to know if the 24/96 files are really 'uncompressed', or at least, significantly more dynamic than the regular FLAC/ALAC files. They certainly sound pretty great to me. I'm still blown away they finally did something like this. |
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| Author: | cutuphalfdead [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Yeah, this sounds fantastic. |
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| Author: | Angus [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
Really great sound, great show. Can't wait for the Amsterdams! |
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| Author: | twoheadedboy [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
I'd have to imagine they at least ran comp at time of input, you could probably get away without using more compression in the post if done right. I mean, if there was one feedback squeal +5dB louder than the rest of the recording, not limiting it so that you can at least normalize the rest of the audio would be stupid - but you could not make the claim that there was "no dynamic range compression" then. Then again, I'm still bitter about those "complete show" 2003 bootlegs with Arc missing due to "technical limitations". |
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| Author: | cutuphalfdead [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
I looked at the spectrals to compare the FLACs to the 24/96 FLACs and it looks like the higher resolution ones go up into higher frequencies than the normal ones. Not by much, but it's there. On the high resolutions it seems to hit a line around 23kHz with only the occasional peak going above that. Also, the regular FLACs are slightly louder than the high resolution ones. Release in high resolution pretty much doesn't clip at all while there is some on the regular FLACs. Also, Arc was not left off the 2003 bootlegs due to technical difficulties. They were left off because they were tribute to those who died at Roskilde. |
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| Author: | spenno [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
cutuphalfdead wrote: I looked at the spectrals to compare the FLACs to the 24/96 FLACs and it looks like the higher resolution ones go up into higher frequencies than the normal ones. Not by much, but it's there. On the high resolutions it seems to hit a line around 23kHz with only the occasional peak going above that. Also, the regular FLACs are slightly louder than the high resolution ones. Release in high resolution pretty much doesn't clip at all while there is some on the regular FLACs. Awesome. I wrote an email to 10C to let them know how much I appreciate them finally making this an option - we've sure come a long way since the days of 192kbps MP3s in 2005. |
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| Author: | cutuphalfdead [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
If anyone is interested: The y axis of the two spectrals is different because I have them zoomed out as much as Adobe Audition will allow for each file. It doesn't allow you to zoom out any further than where audio exists. Therefor (if my assumptions are correct), the regular FLACs don't have anything above 22kHz. While with the high resolution FLACs most of the audio exists up to 23kHz with some extremes going as high as 48kHz And like I said before about the dB graphs, the regular FLACs are mastered slightly hotter. They're not bad by any means, but as you can see the high resolution FLACs are just a tad cleaner. Regular FLAC:  High-res FLAC:  Regular FLAC:  High-res FLAC: 
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| Author: | cutuphalfdead [ Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2012 bootlegs |
So you can see the spectrals with the same exact y-axis I appended the two version together into one graph: 
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