Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:20 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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theplatypus wrote:
Ah, "Cropduster" is so good.
it could be such a good song...but the guitars are weak, eddie isn´t singing , he seems so bored with whats happening. A real shame, but life goes on right guys??
Last ten years we had Riot Act, Lost Dogs, Avocado, Into The Wild, Backspacer, Ten Redux, Vs/Vitalogy set, Pj20 and Ukulele songs... I think its pretty good so far guys, nothing to complain about, really.
Riot Act was made just over 10 years ago. Everything on Lost Dogs was written more than ten years ago. Into the Wild and Ukulele songs are not PJ records. Ten is over twenty years old and Vs/Vitalogy written many years ago - box sets are the text book definition of nostalgia.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:37 pm
Master of Meh
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 11:00 pm Posts: 13226 Location: Adelaide, AUS
theplatypus wrote:
Ah, "Cropduster" is so good.
Sure is.
KurtLeon wrote:
Last ten years we had...Ten Redux, Vs/Vitalogy set, Pj20
These were all awful.
More isn't necessarily better. The PJ20 film and those boxsets actually made me think less of the band, I would've been happier had they not done anything.
(I don't mind the inherent nostalgia of putting out a boxset, I just wish they'd actually done a half-decent job of it.)
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:34 pm
Master of Meh
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VinylGuy wrote:
That´s pretty much my point...i ve been listening for years the desire of a temple of the dog reunion/ tour/ record..."please, make another one, please play those songs, pleaaase..." Then when it happens..."fuck they are playing reach down for te 2cnd time fuckersss you pussies...
I feel like I've had this discussion with you before, but do you honestly think these are the same fans? I very much doubt the fans calling for Leash to return are those now complaining about its occasional appearances, for instance.
Pearl Jam fans are a varied bunch. I've argued that they should play shorter shows and cut the old material out of their sets, I doubt that's something that's going to find widespread support.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:14 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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spenno wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
That´s pretty much my point...i ve been listening for years the desire of a temple of the dog reunion/ tour/ record..."please, make another one, please play those songs, pleaaase..." Then when it happens..."fuck they are playing reach down for te 2cnd time fuckersss you pussies...
I feel like I've had this discussion with you before, but do you honestly think these are the same fans? I very much doubt the fans calling for Leash to return are those now complaining about its occasional appearances, for instance.
Pearl Jam fans are a varied bunch. I've argued that they should play shorter shows and cut the old material out of their sets, I doubt that's something that's going to find widespread support.
We might had this discussion before yeah, it is something i ve been noticing in this board since 2006 or 2007...im talking about THIS board..the fans here...if you go to the message pit they seem a lot happier...even in the refuge they seem more confortable with what`s happening with the band...but we can expand this discussion to most of the fans too see what happens too.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:20 am
Master of Meh
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 11:00 pm Posts: 13226 Location: Adelaide, AUS
Sure, but my point is even the fans on this board have a very wide range of opinions - the fans who want Leash to be played are almost certainly not the same fans who complain when it is, but that seems to be what you're suggesting.
The official fanclub is very heavily moderated and changed in tone quite a lot once they kicked out all non-fanclub members (I can still post there, for some reason.)
The Ten Redux had a version of MTV Unplugged where Ed's ex wife's name was edited out of the performance.
Oh wait, this is for real?
spenno wrote:
I've argued that they should play shorter shows and cut the old material out of their sets, I doubt that's something that's going to find widespread support.
That's not such a good idea. New fans and show virgins should have a chance to hear the 'classics'. FYI "Just Breathe" and "Wishlist" are not classics.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:25 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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spenno wrote:
Sure, but my point is even the fans on this board have a very wide range of opinions - the fans who want Leash to be played are almost certainly not the same fans who complain when it is, but that seems to be what you're suggesting.
The official fanclub is very heavily moderated and changed in tone quite a lot once they kicked out all non-fanclub members (I can still post there, for some reason.)
this is true. Spenno you just changed my view on this people. Thank you.
Last ten years we had...Ten Redux, Vs/Vitalogy set, Pj20
These were all awful.
I also don't understand how they can be quoted as against the motion that pearl jam fans are overly nostalgic. Even Jeff said in that recent interview that he felt they were becoming a nostalgia band.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:55 pm
Master of Meh
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 11:00 pm Posts: 13226 Location: Adelaide, AUS
broken iris wrote:
spenno wrote:
I've argued that they should play shorter shows and cut the old material out of their sets, I doubt that's something that's going to find widespread support.
That's not such a good idea. New fans and show virgins should have a chance to hear the 'classics'. FYI "Just Breathe" and "Wishlist" are not classics.
It's more that I don't think this version of the band plays those old songs particularly well. Ed either isn't particularly interested in singing them or his voice has changed so much that he doesn't sound great performing them anymore.
I'm not suggesting junking every song from their pre-Matt Cameron era, only that I wish they'd stick to songs that work well live and sound good when this version of the band plays them. Songs written with a previous drummer rarely sound as good with another - and that's not a knock against Matt, it's just how things tend to be in bands.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:54 pm
Force of Nature
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:14 pm Posts: 802 Location: Australia Gender: Male
leopold wrote:
KurtLeon wrote:
Last ten years we had Riot Act, Lost Dogs, Avocado, Into The Wild, Backspacer, Ten Redux, Vs/Vitalogy set, Pj20 and Ukulele songs... I think its pretty good so far guys, nothing to complain about, really.
Riot Act was made just over 10 years ago. Everything on Lost Dogs was written more than ten years ago. Into the Wild and Ukulele songs are not PJ records. Ten is over twenty years old and Vs/Vitalogy written many years ago - box sets are the text book definition of nostalgia.
As far as bands providing 'new' content for their fans it's not too bad. It looks like a decent mix of new material and previously unavailable archive material. I think it's inevitable that if a band is around for more than 10 years a certain part of their popularity is going to be attributable to nostalgia.
I've argued that they should play shorter shows and cut the old material out of their sets, I doubt that's something that's going to find widespread support.
That's not such a good idea. New fans and show virgins should have a chance to hear the 'classics'. FYI "Just Breathe" and "Wishlist" are not classics.
It's more that I don't think this version of the band plays those old songs particularly well. Ed either isn't particularly interested in singing them or his voice has changed so much that he doesn't sound great performing them anymore.
I'm not suggesting junking every song from their pre-Matt Cameron era, only that I wish they'd stick to songs that work well live and sound good when this version of the band plays them. Songs written with a previous drummer rarely sound as good with another - and that's not a knock against Matt, it's just how things tend to be in bands.
This rational response has no place in this thread.
Post subject: Re: Are we,pj fans, the most negative and nostalgic fans ever?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:12 am
Unthought Known
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:52 pm Posts: 8288
broken iris wrote:
spenno wrote:
broken iris wrote:
spenno wrote:
I've argued that they should play shorter shows and cut the old material out of their sets, I doubt that's something that's going to find widespread support.
That's not such a good idea. New fans and show virgins should have a chance to hear the 'classics'. FYI "Just Breathe" and "Wishlist" are not classics.
It's more that I don't think this version of the band plays those old songs particularly well. Ed either isn't particularly interested in singing them or his voice has changed so much that he doesn't sound great performing them anymore.
I'm not suggesting junking every song from their pre-Matt Cameron era, only that I wish they'd stick to songs that work well live and sound good when this version of the band plays them. Songs written with a previous drummer rarely sound as good with another - and that's not a knock against Matt, it's just how things tend to be in bands.
This rational response has no place in this thread.
I'd rather hear them play old songs less than perfect than hear BS played perfectly.
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