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So I never got around to posting this, but "Ticket to the Fair" did a lot less for me than either "Consider the Lobster" or "Shipping Out." The conclusions it came to seemed a bit incongruous with some of the evidence presented (and I'm not sure if this is fixed at all in the presumably expanded version in a book). It was mostly that the "main population," i.e. the people who rode the carnival rides and didn't bring their own coolers so ate the expensive food and all that, were the cityfolk, but he attributed the fair's popularity in the midwest and the lack of fairs in the northeast to the isolation of vast farms. The arguments he presented in the other two essays I found much more agreeable and substantiated. While I may have quibbled at points, especially in "Shipping Out," that's more a function of any argument with the type of scope DFW aims for. Most arguments of that type (i.e. most "big ideas") are flawed by nature, by the complexity of the world and people.
But I guess that's jmo.
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I recently read both the fair and cruise essays, and the fair one definitely wasn't as good as I remember. I couldn't exactly pinpoint what it was, though. It may have been something with him being over-folksy, but he also just seems plain mean at points. The cruise essay is still gold, though.
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Simple Torture wrote:
I recently read both the fair and cruise essays, and the fair one definitely wasn't as good as I remember. I couldn't exactly pinpoint what it was, though. It may have been something with him being over-folksy, but he also just seems plain mean at points. The cruise essay is still gold, though.
Yeah, I noticed the mean thing too. The moment it most sticks out to me is when he leans over to the carnie shredding tickets, and asks how does he live with the immense boredom of the job or something along those lines. It's like something mickey would do.
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dkfan9 wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
I recently read both the fair and cruise essays, and the fair one definitely wasn't as good as I remember. I couldn't exactly pinpoint what it was, though. It may have been something with him being over-folksy, but he also just seems plain mean at points. The cruise essay is still gold, though.
Yeah, I noticed the mean thing too. The moment it most sticks out to me is when he leans over to the carnie shredding tickets, and asks how does he live with the immense boredom of the job or something along those lines. It's like something mickey would do.
Srsly. He's only got like one empathetic moment in the whole essay, with the old man in the wheelchair. In the cruise essay, there are obviously people he doesn't like, but he's way more even-handed or funny-but-not-cruel about it. I wouldn't want to even have a conversation with the guy who wrote the fair piece; I'd pick his brain for hours over the cruise essay.
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Simple Torture wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
I recently read both the fair and cruise essays, and the fair one definitely wasn't as good as I remember. I couldn't exactly pinpoint what it was, though. It may have been something with him being over-folksy, but he also just seems plain mean at points. The cruise essay is still gold, though.
Yeah, I noticed the mean thing too. The moment it most sticks out to me is when he leans over to the carnie shredding tickets, and asks how does he live with the immense boredom of the job or something along those lines. It's like something mickey would do.
Srsly. He's only got like one empathetic moment in the whole essay, with the old man in the wheelchair. In the cruise essay, there are obviously people he doesn't like, but he's way more even-handed or funny-but-not-cruel about it. I wouldn't want to even have a conversation with the guy who wrote the fair piece; I'd pick his brain for hours over the cruise essay.
Agreed.
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I haven't read this yet b/c it was subscriber-/FB friend-only for a while, but I know it caused quite a stir when it was published. If I have time I'll post some of the more vitriol-filled posts I've seen about it.
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I haven't read this yet b/c it was subscriber-/FB friend-only for a while, but I know it caused quite a stir when it was published. If I have time I'll post some of the more vitriol-filled posts I've seen about it.
If you enjoyed that Franzen article (which I did, and don't think warranted the criticism it received on the DFW list serv), you'll probably find these interesting:
Beloved for his epic agony, brilliantly discerning eye, and hilarious and constantly self-questioning tone, David Foster Wallace was heralded by both critics and fans as the voice of a generation. BOTH FLESH AND NOT gathers 15 essays never published in book form, including "Federer Both Flesh and Not," considered by many to be his nonfiction masterpiece; "The (As it Were) Seminal Importance of Terminator 2," which deftly dissects James Cameron's blockbuster; and "Fictional Futures and the Conspicuously Young," an examination of television's effect on a new generation of writers.
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