I, of course, have ordered Darwin's "Orgin of the Species" and I know it is a tedious read, but I think it is a book that you must have.

Any suggestions of where I go from here. I love that this is basically the book that started it all (even though there were people working on his theories before he was), but I was hoping for something more modern and updated and perhaps a bit more laymen.

I wanted some of my strong Christian Creationists friends to read this. I'm not bashing them, they said they would read something if I gave it to them for a bigger understanding of the subject.

Plus, I want a few different books on the subject. Thanks A & E.

If you read that book with any intellectual honesty, you will see how full of holes Darwinism acutally is. Many modern day evolutionists have been quoted as saying "Darwinism is dead."

Yes, I have read that and believe it to be true to a degree. I pretty much want it because its the book that started it all kind of thing. Pretty much like I will purchase Freud although I realize that a lot of his findings have been proven wrong or misdirected.

I actually purchased the following..

Evolution vs. Creationism: An Introduction [Paperback] by Scott, Eugenie

What Evolution Is [Paperback] by Mayr, Ernst

Why Darwin Matters: The Case Against Intelligent Design [Hardcover] by Shermer

They seem a bit more modern and take in more recent times and controversies and is what i was looking for.

Those sound interesting. Post on what you think of them. I just read The Big Argument: Does God Exist.

It's 40 scholars from different areas: evolution, archeology, biology, genetics, and so on. It was a pretty interesting read. It was very biased, though. It was very good at pointing out the holes in evolutionary theory, but it filled those holes with creationism in a way that was just as "holey" (no pun intended).

What I took from it was how the intelligent design theory is not really based in religion (although a lot of people use it for that) and there is actually quite a bit of scientific theory behind it. Also that both theories rely on a lot of faith, because there isn't even close to enough evidence for either of them.

I'll be sure to check it out ... thanks.

I actually don't recommend it. But any book that honestly illustrates Creationism and Evolution would be cool. If you come across it, let me know.

I would love to read a book by someone who didn't fully believe in either theory and was just trying to delineate both theories with their flaws.

The books i bought today are def. more on the evolution side (which you might be able to tell from the titles) which is where i fall. I'm always open to read an argument from the other side though.

I basically bought them to help me solidify my points for when i talk about this with others.

If i find something you like, ill be sure to tell you

not so much evolution, but Hyperspace by Michio Kaku is pretty awesome. Talks about black holes, the feasibility of time travel, parallel universes and the existence of god as related to dimensions and such. Blew my mind when I was in 10th grade.

Be sure to read A Brief History of Time, too, if you like that kind of stuff.

I love that book. I read it about 2 years ago. I still have to read "Beyond Einstein"

Stepehn Hawking, btw.

i know

A book not really for the layman but good nonethelss is Darwin's Dangerous Idea by Daniel Dennett. It is written by a philosopher and is an "uncompromising defense of neo-Darwinian orthodoxy."


Any of them that don't work for the Discovery Institute?

Thanks Mind of Meddle, that looks like a good book to read.