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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:33 pm 
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Some news, finally. I'd love to see Carnahan direct it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20601

Tony Gilroy is sitting down to write THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... I don't know about you - but THE BOURNE IDENTITY and THE BOURNE SUPREMACY have been two of the very best "modern" franchise films I've seen made in quite some time. And it always seems like they're underdog films. Movies that don't get the credit they deserve. I have to say - they really are amazing films... So it absolutely delights me that Variety broke that Tony Gilroy had officially signed on to pen his third Bourne film... THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM!!! They don't have a director yet, and Matt Damon - being smart as hell - won't sign on til he reads the new script and makes sure it isn't just some knock off - but with Gilroy, I think that's not gonna be a problem. The key is to get a director on board that would knock this one out of the park. If I could throw two names in the ring for the position it'd be Matthew Vaughn and Joe Carnahan. Both of those guys would make a frickin' bad ass Bourne adventure. Who would you suggest?

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Sounds interesting. I agree the first two were very good but I have to admit I've only seen each one of them once.

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Ill go see it. Both those movies were good, cant be any worse than some of the stuff that has been out lately.

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Will they ever run out of 4 syllable words to stick after "The Bourne"

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Will they ever run out of 4 syllable words to stick after "The Bourne"


Yes. Legacy.

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jimmac24 wrote:
Will they ever run out of 4 syllable words to stick after "The Bourne"


Ask Robert Ludlum, not the people who are making the movies.


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Ensign9 wrote:
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Will they ever run out of 4 syllable words to stick after "The Bourne"


Yes. Legacy.


That shouldn't count, Eric Van Lustbader wrote that one :P

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isn't ultimatum the last book? i haven't read them. i heard they were pretty shitty actually. in fact, one of the few times i've actually heard the movies are better than the books. i love these movies. bourne is what bond should be.


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let's hope whoever directs the next one uses a dolly shot once in a while

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isn't ultimatum the last book? i haven't read them. i heard they were pretty shitty actually. in fact, one of the few times i've actually heard the movies are better than the books. i love these movies. bourne is what bond should be.


The Bourne Legacy is some douchebag's idea to cash in on the resurgence the movies gave to the Bourne series. Not by Ludlum.

The movies are great on their own. Identity is a fantastic book; Supremacy and Ultimatum not so much, but still good. All three are/will be very different from the movies.

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I can't wait for this movie. I loved the first two!!!! I hope its just as good. I'm definetely gonna by on the special 'Bourne" special edition dvd package that will surely follow. :wink:

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http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=3

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I am deeply honored to provide the 1st newsworthy item of the launch of the new LatinoReview with a script review! We first bought you the script review for THE BOURNE SUPREMACY a while ago. Was it me or was the movie full of way too much shakycam?! Somebody please tell Paul Greengrass and his DP to put the camera down on sticks please! Damn! All that handheld camera work killed the movie for me. What did these guys do? Watch The Blair Witch Project before shooting Supremacy?! Even a hack director like Agustin of El Vacilon uses baby legs!

This week we take a look at the 3rd and final Bourne script THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM by master craftsman and maestro Tony Gilroy who wrote all the Bourne films loosely based on the novels by Robert Ludlum. I love reading this guy’s scripts. It is always a pleasure to read a Gilroy script. He has storytelling style and a unique skill all his own and flows on the page like you are in the theater watching the movie. He is a pro folks and that is why he received a cool $2 million to write the third installment.

That being said, the Bourne Ultimatum script dated 9/22/05 and 130 pages long by Tony Gilroy is, I hate to say it, boring!

I am in no way dissing the script nor Gilroy’s talent. This is only the 2nd draft and like the other entire previous two Bourne scripts, Ultimatum like is predecessors will be rewritten 20 ways to Sunday. What I feel Gilroy did with this draft is lay out the foundation from which to work from, just lay it all on the page and with the rewriting process already in full swing, I am sure they are going to cut a lot of it down, condense it more, tighten it up a little more.

The Bourne Supremacy script I reviewed here turned out to be different than the final film. For example, in the Supremacy script, there was a section where Bourne was arrested after the death of his companion Marie and stayed in prison for a while, became the prison bad ass then eventually escaped. That whole prison sequence was left out of the handheld film.

Ultimatum is basically a rehash of the 1st film and this draft has a been there, done that sort of feel. Ultimatum is a lot like the 1st film, only no love interest. Besides Bourne, Pamela Landy (Joan Allen) is back and so is Nicky (Julia Stiles).

The Ultimatum script starts off with a journalist in his mid forties SIMON ROSS meeting an American book editor KEN CASTLE and for the next 12 pages, Simon Ross basically sums up the events of the 1st 2 Bourne films and is pitching Castle a story on Bourne. Castle was with the French when the all point bulletin in France came in when Bourne and Marie were discovered in the Hotel room, Bourne killed the spook and was out of there in the car chase scene. Ross has been snooping around for information, has the wanted posters of Bourne and Marie and information where Bourne has popped up in the last film when Bourne appeared in Germany. Apparently there was a shoot out in Moscow two days ago ten blocks from the Red Square and that is when we 1st see how Bourne is on the lam all messed up from the shoot out and car chase trying to recover from his wounds in a Moscow pharmacy. Bourne is messed up real bad and we time cut to all the medical things he finds in the pharmacy as he tries to heal. Ross the reporter is hot on Bourne’s tail making all sorts of key discoveries including Treadstone and Abbot (the James Cox character from the last 2 films). Ross begs Castle for money because he is onto his biggest story and that there is a book there. Bourne in between gets to London after the incident of Moscow and is onto Ross. Bad guys take out both Ross and Castle! I won’t spoil whom. Bourne on a rooftop watches Ross get creamed on the street and a switcheroo with his bag takes place. Bourne gets to Ross’s hideout before the spooks do and makes a discovery along the way.

The jist of what Ultimatum is about is what we see on page 19 in Simon’s Safe-house on the wall above Simon’s desk …
“WHO IS JASON BOURNE”

Jason Bourne is on the run again trying to really find out just who the hell he REALLY is. And we finally do find out. We find out where Jason was born, what year, his real mother, his early training, his military past before Treadstone, his gifts, and even his real name. For a clue, fans of the book already know Jason’s real name.

NOAH VOSEN is the government bad guy who is after Jason and wants him dead. He enlists the help of Pam Landy on page 28 to quarterback the search effort and gives her the call to adventure to help him find Bourne. We get the whole history of Treadstone and some mind control stuff, which pays off later in the 3rd act. Landy later on page 52 thinks that Bourne isn’t running away but he is running towards something.

Vosen has the last of the 3 soldiers of Treadstone to help take down Bourne. Upgrades of Bourne. Let’s meet them. They are PAZ who is in his mid twenties. Unassuming. Almost sweet. Dark eyes and hair. He could be Spanish, Greek, Persian, Kurdish, or Palestinian. DESH, he’s 25 wearing biker boots, old jeans and a reggae t-shirt. ARNAUD late twenties, clean, tan and slick, has arms like ropes.

Ultimatum like the 1st two films is a globe trotting adventure that takes place in Tangier, London, Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid, Gibraltar to name a few. The 3rd act and movie climaxes in New York City. The action and fight scenes like previously written in the other Bourne films is on point here. When Bourne faces off with technically his one of his other 3 brothers from Treadstone, it’s cool. But haven’t we seen that already in the 1st two Bourne films? That is why I say been there and done that. Those 3 guys are cool though in their own right.

It is still too early in the development process and the shooting script is at least 20 drafts away but there you have what Ultimatum will most likely be about – Bourne on the trail finally to his own identity and the government bad guy who wants to keep Treadstone alive by taking out Bourne once and for all. It appears the Ultimatum was given to Landy. Bourne jet sets to exotic location to find clue, runs into bad guys, clashes, kills and or escapes goons all the way onto the final conclusion. It is a man on the run film with a bigger budget, a bigger star, and a bigger stage.

Don’t take this review as a negative, simply see it as a starting point to which to build from. As it stands, the script is now a C+. I am sure Gilroy and Universal will have this film up to snuff by the time shooting comes around – as long as they don’t hire a director and a DP who don’t have cocaine in coursing through their veins when it comes time to frame the shots! I am hoping to be blown away by the time this rolls around and expecting it to since this is the last Bourne film!

Next, El Chavo takes a look at a certain Creature and afterwards as a clue to my final script review for 2005 come around Christmas time, all I’m gonna say is…

…YO JOE!!!

HASTA EL PROXIMO CAPITULO…

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i absolutely love this series. is ultimatum even going to make it out next year?

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I don't see why they couldn't keep making these movies forever. The original had zero to do with the original book, with the exception that some super government soldier lost his memory and was found by a boat. I saw the movie first then read the book, and I was completly like, What the fuck? The book was great, as was the movie, but they are completly different stories. The second movie was ok, but when they killed off the love interest, it ruined it for me. I mean really, a guy running away from his past isn't compelling unless he has a reason to do so. I think they really screwed up there.

Did the second movie have anything to do with the book? I still am shocked from reading the Borne Identity. I just don't understand why someone would buy the rights to the source material and use less then 20% of the actual story.


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Did the second movie have anything to do with the book? I still am shocked from reading the Borne Identity. I just don't understand why someone would buy the rights to the source material and use less then 20% of the actual story.


I'd say about 0.8% of Supremacy was related to the book.

I think it'll be good if Ultimatum doesn't match up well with the book, as the book is pretty much Bourne vs. Carlos in Epcot Center.

Speaking of which, it is amazing how much the movies differ from the books. I mean, Carlos isn't even IN the movies, and he's basically the underlying thread that ties all three books together.

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C4Lukin wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't keep making these movies forever. The original had zero to do with the original book, with the exception that some super government soldier lost his memory and was found by a boat. I saw the movie first then read the book, and I was completly like, What the fuck? The book was great, as was the movie, but they are completly different stories. The second movie was ok, but when they killed off the love interest, it ruined it for me. I mean really, a guy running away from his past isn't compelling unless he has a reason to do so. I think they really screwed up there.


If they don't kill her off, you basically have the first movie all over again....except she has blonde hair.

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C4Lukin wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't keep making these movies forever. The original had zero to do with the original book, with the exception that some super government soldier lost his memory and was found by a boat. I saw the movie first then read the book, and I was completly like, What the fuck? The book was great, as was the movie, but they are completly different stories. The second movie was ok, but when they killed off the love interest, it ruined it for me. I mean really, a guy running away from his past isn't compelling unless he has a reason to do so. I think they really screwed up there.


If they don't kill her off, you basically have the first movie all over again....except she has blonde hair.


But it is Lola, you can't just kill off Lola. But I think you could have kept her in the mix and kept her alive. Other then the character discovering and removing himself from his past, there really isn't much going on there. Now that the agency that created him is destroyed, his loved one is dead, what can they really do? I think they had a great thing going, and fucked it up in the first half hour of the second film. I just don't think I can recover :)


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C4Lukin wrote:
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C4Lukin wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't keep making these movies forever. The original had zero to do with the original book, with the exception that some super government soldier lost his memory and was found by a boat. I saw the movie first then read the book, and I was completly like, What the fuck? The book was great, as was the movie, but they are completly different stories. The second movie was ok, but when they killed off the love interest, it ruined it for me. I mean really, a guy running away from his past isn't compelling unless he has a reason to do so. I think they really screwed up there.


If they don't kill her off, you basically have the first movie all over again....except she has blonde hair.


But it is Lola, you can't just kill off Lola. But I think you could have kept her in the mix and kept her alive. Other then the character discovering and removing himself from his past, there really isn't much going on there. Now that the agency that created him is destroyed, his loved one is dead, what can they really do? I think they had a great thing going, and fucked it up in the first half hour of the second film. I just don't think I can recover :)


Treadstone was eliminated/destroyed in the Supremacy book as well, if not before.

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Ensign9 wrote:
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C4Lukin wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't keep making these movies forever. The original had zero to do with the original book, with the exception that some super government soldier lost his memory and was found by a boat. I saw the movie first then read the book, and I was completly like, What the fuck? The book was great, as was the movie, but they are completly different stories. The second movie was ok, but when they killed off the love interest, it ruined it for me. I mean really, a guy running away from his past isn't compelling unless he has a reason to do so. I think they really screwed up there.


If they don't kill her off, you basically have the first movie all over again....except she has blonde hair.


But it is Lola, you can't just kill off Lola. But I think you could have kept her in the mix and kept her alive. Other then the character discovering and removing himself from his past, there really isn't much going on there. Now that the agency that created him is destroyed, his loved one is dead, what can they really do? I think they had a great thing going, and fucked it up in the first half hour of the second film. I just don't think I can recover :)


Treadstone was eliminated/destroyed in the Supremacy book as well, if not before.


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Great news, I'd love to see another movie 8)

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