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Okay, so the "Overrated directors" thread got me thinking about him. I love his movies that I've seen, but I've only seen a handful and I don't know if I've ever even properly viewed those.

So, I went to Best Buy today and bought "The Ultimate Oliver Stone Collection". 12 movies, two documentaries, and a feature-length interview for $100: Salvador, Platoon, Wall Street, Talk Radio, Born on the Fourth of July, The Doors, JFK, Heaven & Earth, Natural Born Killers, Nixon, U-Turn, and Any Given Sunday are the movies, "Looking For Fidel" and "Persona Non Grata" the docs, and "Oliver Stone's America" the interview.

I've seen and loved Platoon, Wall Street, Born, The Doors, and JFK, but all of them aside from JFK I've watched either on TV or while doing something else and not entirely paying attention. I've seen and dismissed Any Given Sunday. But the rest I haven't seen, even though I've read some reviews lately that make quite a few of them out to be really worthwhile movies.

So, I forked over the cash and bought the whole set. I'm thinking of writing short reviews of each film after I watch it and sticking them in this thread.

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Yeah, I've always had conflicting feelings for Stone. Some of his stuff I really like, but a few movies just aren't to my taste. I need to watch more.

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this is very very off topic...but auggie...you have the greatest christmas avatar going...i just noticed it... :lol:

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Oliver stone is my favorite director. I doubt i'll even bother with Alexander but i think he has 5 classic movies under his belt(JFK, 4th of July, Platoon, Wall Street, Natural Born Killers)

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He gets blown to hell in Platoon. Watch for it!

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Oliver stone is my favorite director. I doubt i'll even bother with Alexander but i think he has 5 classic movies under his belt(JFK, 4th of July, Platoon, Wall Street, Natural Born Killers)


If he is your favorite director why would you not want to see Alexander?

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alexander looks weak, and any given sunday was pretty lame.

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Natural Born Killers was completely overrated IMO.


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Watch The Flames wrote:
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Oliver stone is my favorite director. I doubt i'll even bother with Alexander but i think he has 5 classic movies under his belt(JFK, 4th of July, Platoon, Wall Street, Natural Born Killers)


If he is your favorite director why would you not want to see Alexander?


i'm a big history buff but it just seems boring to me. I just have no interest. Plus none of the actors are appealing. Colin farrell, Jolie, the chick from MIB 2, Leto...they all bore me. Stone always seems to have a top notch cast and i don't see it here with Alexander.

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Natural Born Killers was completely overrated IMO.


is it really overrated? i don't remember the movie getting much praise if any at all from critics.

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Clubber wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
Natural Born Killers was completely overrated IMO.


is it really overrated? i don't remember the movie getting much praise if any at all from critics.


http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... 60302/1023

obviously that's only one critic's opinion, but I seem to remember lots of them going crazy over the satire and camera work.

Regardless, I never cared for it.


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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
Natural Born Killers was completely overrated IMO.

agreed.

Stone is an interesting case of a director - he started out headed down this path of being the next big auteur, what with his complete preoccupation with the late '60s, and then took a complete left turn with NBK and now he's just kinda middle of the road, to me

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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
Natural Born Killers was completely overrated IMO.


is it really overrated? i don't remember the movie getting much praise if any at all from critics.


http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... 60302/1023

obviously that's only one critic's opinion, but I seem to remember lots of them going crazy over the satire and camera work.

Regardless, I never cared for it.

What a weak review. That script was a satire until Stone turned it into an amoral shitfest with no point of view.

Oh, and by the way, Auggie, let us know if stone sucks castro's cock in that documentary k?


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I thought Natural Born Kllers was great. I don't think it was amoral at all. If anything, it was making a statemnet about the lack of morality in the media and the publics fascination with violence. It has a very moral message shown through somewhat amoral imagery.

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apocalypse now is fantastic


Francis Ford Coppola.

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Mitchell613 wrote:
apocalypse now is fantastic


Yeah. But, um...

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Oh, and by the way, Auggie, let us know if stone sucks castro's cock in that documentary k?


I'll let you know. I'm hoping for a long oral scene. :wink:

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I thought Natural Born Kllers was great. I don't think it was amoral at all. If anything, it was making a statemnet about the lack of morality in the media and the publics fascination with violence. It has a very moral message shown through somewhat amoral imagery.

The movie glorifies two mass murderers at the expense of tabloid journalists. The only message I can glean from it is mass murderers are at worst equal to tabloid journalists. That is the only statement it has. Stone once said "even the most pacifistic people come out of this movie wanting to kill someone."

Nice message eh? And don't tell me it's all in humor. Stone is the most humorless person I've ever seen in interview. A pathetic movie.


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davo15 wrote:
Gimme Some Skin wrote:
I thought Natural Born Kllers was great. I don't think it was amoral at all. If anything, it was making a statemnet about the lack of morality in the media and the publics fascination with violence. It has a very moral message shown through somewhat amoral imagery.

The movie glorifies two mass murderers at the expense of tabloid journalists. The only message I can glean from it is mass murderers are at worst equal to tabloid journalists. That is the only statement it has. Stone once said "even the most pacifistic people come out of this movie wanting to kill someone."

Nice message eh? And don't tell me it's all in humor. Stone is the most humorless person I've ever seen in interview. A pathetic movie.


Again, I haven't seen it yet, but have you considered that perhaps it was, indeed, an attack on tabloid journalism through a comparison with mass murderers, with the mass murderer aspect being an exaggeration that he's using to make the point?

I dunno. I'm not comfortable defending it without seeing it, but that's just an idea I had.

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