Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:41 pm
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Red Mosquitoes wrote:
Harmless wrote:
Really? Who? I thought it was OK, not great.
definitely not you.
anyway. i'm not sure why Ridley ever alluded to the whole Jesus thing at all. kind of kills the sequel for me.
this is all based on one line and an interview in which he says he changed it, right? or am I missing something? I wouldnt worry about it. It seemed pretty minor to the plot to me.
Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:01 am
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bmacsmith wrote:
Red Mosquitoes wrote:
Harmless wrote:
Really? Who? I thought it was OK, not great.
definitely not you.
anyway. i'm not sure why Ridley ever alluded to the whole Jesus thing at all. kind of kills the sequel for me.
this is all based on one line and an interview in which he says he changed it, right? or am I missing something? I wouldnt worry about it. It seemed pretty minor to the plot to me.
true. although Lindelof has said some things also that make me wonder.
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Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:13 am
Supersonic
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Rocky Estoppel wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Rocky Estoppel wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
I didn't hate the movie because it was pro- or anti- religion. I just thought the "super subtle" Christian allegories were weak, ham-handed and obvious. This is a movie that has about half the depth that its creators think it does. But then, that's probably Damon Lindelof. I still had fun.
I agree. Plus they seemed unnecessary to advance the story. It was as if they used them just to do it. Or appeal to the masses. I just hope the story goes in a different direction in the next film.
Wait, so the whole SOURCE OF LIFE ON THIS PLANET question that has haunted humanity forever and been the source of nearly every religion was unnecessary to advance the story? Really?
Yes. The religious overtones were unnecessary about advancing a story about aliens creating intelligent life on this planet.
Any movie that has aliens creating intelligent life on this earth without any further exploration of the spirituality or the historical significance to the human experience would be, quite frankly, trite, empty, and without substance. It would be boring.
Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:25 am
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You don't need a religious angle or explanation for a science fiction movie about Aliens that create intelligent life. And the amount of possible directions that could be factually and scientifically inspired are enormous. There really is no reason to include religious explanations in that whatsoever. People talking about their religious beliefs in the movie is understandable. The possible Alien Jesus plot line is dumb along with any other religious explanations in a science fiction movie. There are infinite possible explanations in a science fiction movie. The religious angle was trite and boring, the rest of the movie is fine.
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Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:24 am
Supersonic
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Rocky Estoppel wrote:
You don't need a religious angle or explanation for a science fiction movie about Aliens that create intelligent life. And the amount of possible directions that could be factually and scientifically inspired are enormous. There really is no reason to include religious explanations in that whatsoever. People talking about their religious beliefs in the movie is understandable. The possible Alien Jesus plot line is dumb along with any other religious explanations in a science fiction movie. There are infinite possible explanations in a science fiction movie. The religious angle was trite and boring, the rest of the movie is fine.
If I want to watch something purely rooted in science about aliens creating life on earth I'll watch that weird dude on Ancient Aliens. Does there need to be an element of facts and science? Sure does. But having a storyline completely rooted in facts and science is a documentary, not a movie, not a film. ALL good science fiction deals with greater questions of humanity. Start Trek, Star Wars, the original Alien for fucks sake, Moon, Serenity, Event Horizon, Communion, Close Encounters, ET, Blade Runner, these are all movies that have far greater plot lines than just facts and science and that's what makes them GREAT films instead of forgettable films. Prometheus doesn't have religious explanations, it has religious questions. What makes the Alien Jesus plot line dumb in the scope of humanity and the premise behind Aliens creating life on earth?
Just out of curiosity, are you religious? I mean, I'm not religious, but I find religion and its influence upon our lives, history, and society to be completely fascinating. The story hasn't even unfolded and you've placed judgment on it.
Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:13 am
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I loved Sunshine.
I wouldn't worry about the alien Jesus thing being a 'plotline'. It was done, I'm sure, to create some conspiracy theories (among the film's fans that is, because among conspiracy theorists, I guess that one's pretty hackneyed). The worst this film did, IMO, was playfully allude to stuff like that. If they carry it into a plot for the second one, I'll get worried that they're going all Da Vinci Code on us. At the moment I'm not.
Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:34 pm
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saw it again yesterday, and even with those plot holes i really want another movie with these characters...bring david and shaw please. The 3d is awesome...i hope to see it in imax someday.
Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 am
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Can someone tell me what happened before the title screen? I walked in late.
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Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:06 pm
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VinylGuy wrote:
so when are they going to announce the sequel?? The movie already made 100 k in usa only...
110 million (roughly half of which goes to exhibitors, so really between 60 and 70 million) plus 152 million on overseas box-office (less than 30% of which goes to the studio, after expenses-- that's another 40 million or so) on a 130 million budget (plus at least another 40 million on marketing, and that's conservative) is not exactly great for a movie like this. The film will be profitable, but it will take time. I'm sure there will be a sequel, though.
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Post subject: Re: Film: Prometheus (Ridley Scott Alien prequel..sort of)
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:52 pm
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theplatypus wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
so when are they going to announce the sequel?? The movie already made 100 k in usa only...
110 million (roughly half of which goes to exhibitors, so really between 60 and 70 million) plus 152 million on overseas box-office (less than 30% of which goes to the studio, after expenses-- that's another 40 million or so) on a 130 million budget (plus at least another 40 million on marketing, and that's conservative) is not exactly great for a movie like this. The film will be profitable, but it will take time. I'm sure there will be a sequel, though.
do you know if they spent 40 million in marketing? and that half of the box office goes to the exhibitors? or is that you inventing those numbers?
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