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Orpheus wrote:
The Wolverine movie has to be at the bottom, that was just fucking terrible. Thor was well made, funny and kept me entertained throughout.
I meant the Marvel-produced movies, not every movie made about a Marvel hero. Even at their worst, these Marvel-produced films are among the best superhero flicks ever made.
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So Marvel has its own production company now? I didn't realize that. Those movies do seem to have the same feel so that makes sense. They're a little more glossy and bright than the X-Men/Wolverine movies. Definitely funnier, too.
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Orpheus wrote:
So Marvel has its own production company now? I didn't realize that. Those movies do seem to have the same feel so that makes sense. They're a little more glossy and bright than the X-Men/Wolverine movies. Definitely funnier, too.
Yup. The big Marvel properties currently produced by other studios are X-Men, Spider-Man and Fantastic Four.
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I think these movies (The Avengers and Iron Man in particular) are leaps above the Spidey movies, which I always found a bit hokey. Those movies very much felt like those early Stan Lee / Steve Ditko comic books brought to life; the dialogue was stilted, the drama prosaic, the character designs... well...
Don't get me wrong, they're solid flicks. I kind of like that wide-eyed, unabashedly sunny take on the original stories. Spidey 2 has that awesome train scene. And yes, at the time they were as good as it got for superhero movies. But they fall short when compared to the current crop of flicks. They don't have the wit, the smarts or the technical merits of either Iron Man movie.
The first X-Men movie was good, and X2 is really great, from what I remember. Kind of dark and suitably disjointed. I liked that one a lot. So I won't argue with that.
I was mostly objecting to Argo's "none of them are worth it". That's just plain snobbery. There's a lot of merit to these Marvel films, and it's certainly admirable how they've perfected the popcorn-movie formula and crafted the quintessential superhero movie, effectively navigating the line between pathos and spectacle without getting too ponderous or falling into the harebrained "oo, explosions!" bullshit that the Transformers franchise is fraught with. And always with a huge dose of humor.
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I think these movies (The Avengers and Iron Man in particular) are leaps above the Spidey movies, which I always found a bit hokey. Those movies very much felt like those early Stan Lee / Steve Ditko comic books brought to life; the dialogue was stilted, the drama prosaic, the character designs... well...
Don't get me wrong, they're solid flicks. I kind of like that wide-eyed, unabashedly sunny take on the original stories. Spidey 2 has that awesome train scene. And yes, at the time they were as good as it got for superhero movies. But they fall short when compared to the current crop of flicks. They don't have the wit, the smarts or the technical merits of either Iron Man movie.
The first X-Men movie was good, and X2 is really great, from what I remember. Kind of dark and suitably disjointed. I liked that one a lot. So I won't argue with that.
I was mostly objecting to Argo's "none of them are worth it". That's just plain snobbery. There's a lot of merit to these Marvel films, and it's certainly admirable how they've perfected the popcorn-movie formula and crafted the quintessential superhero movie, effectively navigating the line between pathos and spectacle without getting too ponderous or falling into the harebrained "oo, explosions!" bullshit that the Transformers franchise is fraught with. And always with a huge dose of humor.
i completely agree that the movies are well crafted as a whole (spideys) and loved seeing parker discover his powers. the mere physics of watching him swing through the air was heart-stopping for a comics geek (self admitted) as was seeing wolverine in the cage fighting.
i wont say they dont hold up, it is just a different movie mind set now. DC did a great job of upping the ante with the batman films, nothing super powered about those so movies with superpowers have to take a different tone.
from what i have seen, the new spiderman movie really captures the nervous banter that spiderman is known for. so that may raise it a few notches.
I think these movies (The Avengers and Iron Man in particular) are leaps above the Spidey movies, which I always found a bit hokey. Those movies very much felt like those early Stan Lee / Steve Ditko comic books brought to life; the dialogue was stilted, the drama prosaic, the character designs... well...
Don't get me wrong, they're solid flicks. I kind of like that wide-eyed, unabashedly sunny take on the original stories. Spidey 2 has that awesome train scene. And yes, at the time they were as good as it got for superhero movies. But they fall short when compared to the current crop of flicks. They don't have the wit, the smarts or the technical merits of either Iron Man movie.
The first X-Men movie was good, and X2 is really great, from what I remember. Kind of dark and suitably disjointed. I liked that one a lot. So I won't argue with that.
I was mostly objecting to Argo's "none of them are worth it". That's just plain snobbery. There's a lot of merit to these Marvel films, and it's certainly admirable how they've perfected the popcorn-movie formula and crafted the quintessential superhero movie, effectively navigating the line between pathos and spectacle without getting too ponderous or falling into the harebrained "oo, explosions!" bullshit that the Transformers franchise is fraught with. And always with a huge dose of humor.
i completely agree that the movies are well crafted as a whole (spideys) and loved seeing parker discover his powers. the mere physics of watching him swing through the air was heart-stopping for a comics geek (self admitted) as was seeing wolverine in the cage fighting.
i wont say they dont hold up, it is just a different movie mind set now. DC did a great job of upping the ante with the batman films, nothing super powered about those so movies with superpowers have to take a different tone.
from what i have seen, the new spiderman movie really captures the nervous banter that spiderman is known for. so that may raise it a few notches.
For me:
Avengers Iron man Captain America Iron man 2 Thor Hulk ( both)
Both x men and spider man 3 were awful, really bad...but x men 2 was very good. The Marvel movies are better, even the Hulk movies were they failed to get the character as they did get it in avengers. i dont think the new spidey movie will be good...
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X2 and Spider-Man 2 are among the best Superhero movies I've ever seen. I'd also throw Iron Man up there. I haven't seen Avengers (of is it The Avengers? Or is it Avengers Assemble? Or is it The Avengers Assemble?), so I can't comment on that one. Nor Thor.
But I think all three X-Men movies and the first two Spider-Man movies are better than The Incredible Hulk. And I wanted to like that thing soooooooooooo badly.
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I thought this was all right, not really having known anything about Thor before seeing it. It was much more impressive than Captain America. I kind of thought that was shit.
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X2 and Spider-Man 2 are among the best Superhero movies I've ever seen. I'd also throw Iron Man up there. I haven't seen Avengers (of is it The Avengers? Or is it Avengers Assemble? Or is it The Avengers Assemble?), so I can't comment on that one. Nor Thor.
But I think all three X-Men movies and the first two Spider-Man movies are better than The Incredible Hulk. And I wanted to like that thing soooooooooooo badly.
X2 could have my little ponies vs the littles in it and the wolverine berserker scene would nullify all the rest and still make it awesome
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The Argonaut wrote:
By "none of them are worth it," I meant that none of them are worth the time it takes to watch them.
So every movie you see has to be of Oscar quality? Is that what you are saying? I'm kind of confused. All the individual Avengers movies were really great action flicks.
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You guys are really selling the Ghost Rider and Green Lantern franchises short.
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