how did you become aware of this "inevitable" trap? a tear in the space time continuum
i hate to pry into my life too much, but I'll give you the basics.
About a year ago I told my Mother that "I am in for something big, I just don't know what it is yet." Now, I just came across the short story "The Beast in the Jungle" by Henry James. The rundown is...
John Marcher, the protagonist, is reacquainted with May Bartram, a woman he knew ten years earlier, who remembers his odd secret: Marcher is seized with the belief that his life is to be defined by some catastrophic or spectacular event, lying in wait for him like a "beast in the jungle." May decides to buy a house in London with the money she got from her Great-Aunt who passed away, and to spend her days with Marcher curiously awaiting what fate has in store for him. Marcher is a hopeless egoist, who believes that he is precluded from marrying so that he does not subject his wife to his "spectacular fate".
He takes May to the theatre and invites her to an occasional dinner, but does not allow her to get close to him. As he sits idly by and allows the best years of his life to pass, he takes May down as well, until the denouement where he learns that the great misfortune of his life was to throw it away, and to ignore the love of a good woman, based upon his preposterous sense of foreboding.
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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
noaheb wrote:
how did you become aware of this "inevitable" trap? a tear in the space time continuum
i hate to pry into my life too much, but I'll give you the basics.
About a year ago I told my Mother that "I am in for something big, I just don't know what it is yet." Now, I just came across the short story "The Beast in the Jungle" by Henry James. The rundown is...
John Marcher, the protagonist, is reacquainted with May Bartram, a woman he knew ten years earlier, who remembers his odd secret: Marcher is seized with the belief that his life is to be defined by some catastrophic or spectacular event, lying in wait for him like a "beast in the jungle." May decides to buy a house in London with the money she got from her Great-Aunt who passed away, and to spend her days with Marcher curiously awaiting what fate has in store for him. Marcher is a hopeless egoist, who believes that he is precluded from marrying so that he does not subject his wife to his "spectacular fate".
He takes May to the theatre and invites her to an occasional dinner, but does not allow her to get close to him. As he sits idly by and allows the best years of his life to pass, he takes May down as well, until the denouement where he learns that the great misfortune of his life was to throw it away, and to ignore the love of a good woman, based upon his preposterous sense of foreboding.
is this telling me something, or can i beat it?
well being it sounds a bit like my life and i still havent figured out how to beat it...i got nothing sorry not sure how serious you are but the solution is obvious...live each day as though it were your last and to its fullest...easier said than done so in the mean time have a drink cheers
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What kind of mental wiring do you have to have to come up with this one? I've just never heard of it before. We're all delusional in our own ways. I assume this should just tell you that you are too idle in your life, so you have dreamed up this thing where one day the action is just magically gonna come to you. Is it guaranteed it's gonna be a bad thing or just something big?
What kind of mental wiring do you have to have to come up with this one? I've just never heard of it before. We're all delusional in our own ways. I assume this should just tell you that you are too idle in your life, so you have dreamed up this thing where one day the action is just magically gonna come to you. Is it guaranteed it's gonna be a bad thing or just something big?
I can't delve into this kind of stuff. I'm not the first one to think like this. I am by no means comparing myself to a great literary artist like Henry James, but he obviously thought about it as well.
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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
Dev wrote:
What kind of mental wiring do you have to have to come up with this one? I've just never heard of it before. We're all delusional in our own ways. I assume this should just tell you that you are too idle in your life, so you have dreamed up this thing where one day the action is just magically gonna come to you. Is it guaranteed it's gonna be a bad thing or just something big?
I can't delve into this kind of stuff. I'm not the first one to think like this. I am by no means comparing myself to a great literary artist like Henry James, but he obviously thought about it as well.
I think too much. It has to stop.
Sorry Bro but that's your real fate lol (thinking too much). I'd explore it and just decide what it means. So there's my stab at it. You are simply to idle in your life and feel that there might be something more (which you are likely capable of) but you have dreamed up this day where it's just gonna rain down on you. Iunno I've felt doomed as well, just more in a vague sense.
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Dev wrote:
What kind of mental wiring do you have to have to come up with this one? I've just never heard of it before. We're all delusional in our own ways. I assume this should just tell you that you are too idle in your life, so you have dreamed up this thing where one day the action is just magically gonna come to you. Is it guaranteed it's gonna be a bad thing or just something big?
once as a little...no littler... boy i believed this and to some extent still do...nothings happened yet and each day year month second hour etc that goes by i realize that maybe i need a change though changes have come and gone and still nothing but this damn complacency...out damn complacency out! idle minds breed fantastic thoughts...catch one let it go see the magic and fall once again into a puddle of ashen tears until lifes circularity becomes clear then wash it off and wake up for work for thats what is left now...work
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Fatalism is a philosophical doctrine emphasizing the subjugation of all events or actions to fate or inevitable predetermination.
Fatalism generally refers to several of the following ideas:
1. That it is a flawed perception of the consequences of exercised free will due to ignorance (or Avidya), forgetfulness, and lack of awareness (or Adristi). 2. That free will does not exist, meaning therefore that history has progressed in the only manner possible. This belief is very similar to determinism. 3. That actions are free, but nevertheless work toward an inevitable end. This belief is very similar to compatibilist predestination. 4. That acceptance is appropriate, rather than resistance against inevitability. This belief is very similar to defeatism.
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One ancient argument for fatalism, called the idle argument, went like this:
* If it is fated for you to recover from your illness, then you will recover whether you call a doctor or not. * Likewise, if you are fated not to recover, you will not do so even if you call a doctor. * It is either fated that you will recover from your illness, or that you will not recover from your illness.
While the idle argument applies fatalism on the effect side (i.e., the recovery from illness), it does not apply fatalism to the cause side. Strictly speaking fatalists apply it to both sides of the cause and effect. While the fact that you will recover or not is left to fate, fatalists believe it is also pre-determined whether or not you will call the doctor.
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i haven't read much into it, but at first glance it would seem i have problems with fatalism.
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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
i haven't read much into it, but at first glance it would seem i have problems with fatalism.
Fatalism by one's actions, not fatalism by one's existence.
For an example Jesse James. By his life's actions there was no way of escaping imprisonment or death (death due to his actions).
thus, though, his existence becomes so. i suppose i can see fatalism's claim that some things just will happen, but i wouldn't attribute to anything more than birthplace lottery, genes, and all that jazz. i think i get all uncomfortable when i read "it is fated ..."
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