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 Post subject: Re: Soundboard Remasters Series (pre-2000 bootlegs)
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I was hoping JWB that you could post a list of which sources were used for each show, and remastering notes as well,


1991-10-06 Hollywood, CA - Promo CD
1992-02-12 Amsterdam, NE - Pre-FM > DAT
1992-03-04 Utrecht, NE - Pre-FM > DAT
1992-06-06 London, UK - Promo CD
1992-09-26 Honolulu, HI - Minidisc w/ ANA patches
1993-07-XX Rotterdam, NE - FM Broadcast > DAT
1993-11-05 Indio, CA - Manifesting Morrison CD
1994-04-03 Atlanta, GA - Aussie Promo w/ KROQ patches
1995-01-14 Washington, DC - Basecamp w/ AUD patches
1995-03-17 Melbourne, AU - Promo CD w/ FM patches
1995-11-01 Salt Lake City, UT - SBD > DAT w/ FM patches
1996-11-03 Berlin, DE - Promo CD
1998-03-05 Melbourne, AU - Promo CD
1998-07-22 Seattle, WA - SBD > DAT

Remastering consisted of EQ and Limiting - and sometimes some Compression.


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 Post subject: Re: Soundboard Remasters Series (pre-2000 bootlegs)
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thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Soundboard Remasters Series (pre-2000 bootlegs)
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Jack really is tremendous, and I'm definitely a Jack dork. Case in point, I :heartbeat: when he gets really into something and lets out this "yeah!". You just know they're groovin it. See: beginning of RVM 1/14/95, Red Mosquito jam on No Code, and I believe Immortality jam on self-pollution.

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I, too, am a total Jack dork.

Does anyone else find it a bit weird that both the band and Brett have commented that Jack wasn't drumming very well on that 1998 Australian tour? From memory, Brett commented on it in the PJ20 book and I think Jeff alluded to it when he was on PJ Radio.

I can't help but think they're engaging in a bit of guilt assuagement for dumping Jack for Matt, since the original idea was that, according to band statements from the time, Matt was only helping out for the tour and Jack would be returning as soon as he was able to. Obviously things didn't work out that way.

From evidence of the recordings (and attending one of the shows in person), Jack was playing great despite whatever personal demons he was battling at the time - I can't think of a time the band sounded better, to be honest.


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They might be retroactively equating his personal health with his performance, too. Who knows. I agree he sounds great though.

But I always felt like the No Code tour was the best document of Jack's ability to affect the band's live sound, though. Eddie sounded better in '98, mostly, but there are a few things from '96 in particular that really showcase big differences between how he and Matt interpret material. "Off He Goes" is the biggest example I can think of--it seriously goes from being a near-shuffle, very light on its feet, to a straight ahead 4/4 rock number.

The guy had the touch.

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Yeah, that's it. Jack was always giving 100%, working in a lot of details and accents and subtleties live to a degree that Matt has never even come close to trying to replicate in his own way.

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These really are fantastic. I've been listening to the shows in order and I've made it to Atlanta. I never realized that the boot that I paid $50 for in 1994 had the talking between songs edited out. So, that was a pretty cool revelation. Thanks again for all the work!


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Cameronia,

When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?

Thanks,

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Rebar wrote:
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When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?


No, but perhaps the Europe 2000 tour which has very low volume levels.


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Cameronia wrote:
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When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?


No, but perhaps the Europe 2000 tour which has very low volume levels.

Sad that we are even talking about remastering the official releases.

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Must check these out.

Thanks to those that made it happen. Herculean effort.

Be funny if 10c yoinked them and used them as part of the Vault series:)...t's been done before!

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These really are fantastic. I've been listening to the shows in order and I've made it to Atlanta. I never realized that the boot that I paid $50 for in 1994 had the talking between songs edited out. So, that was a pretty cool revelation. Thanks again for all the work!


Here's the thing about Atlanta - all of the various CD releases sound exactly the same but have various degrees of editing. The 100% complete show was released as a radio station promo - and would normally be considered the best source - but the spectrals look awful and indicate that some kind of lossy conversion has happened. The Australian promo set is nice - complete setlist, great lossless sound - but it is heavily edited between tracks. This is likely where your bootleg was sourced from. I imagine there are a lot of people who have the Aussie promo and the bootlegs made from it and don't realize that it is incomplete. So what I have done with this remaster was to take the nice Aussie promo source and patch it with the radio station promo. The patches are undetectable because both sources are based on the same, untampered recording. Then, after some other fills and fades were applied in the proper places, I remastered the sound to more closely match an official boot from, say, the US Binaural Tour for example, which is IMO gold standard of official boots.


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Rebar wrote:
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Cameronia,

When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?


No, but perhaps the Europe 2000 tour which has very low volume levels.

Sad that we are even talking about remastering the official releases.


The mastering is fine on all the 2008-2010 boots. It's the mixes that suck. Can't do much about that.


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Cameronia wrote:
beauford1313 wrote:
These really are fantastic. I've been listening to the shows in order and I've made it to Atlanta. I never realized that the boot that I paid $50 for in 1994 had the talking between songs edited out. So, that was a pretty cool revelation. Thanks again for all the work!


Here's the thing about Atlanta - all of the various CD releases sound exactly the same but have various degrees of editing. The 100% complete show was released as a radio station promo - and would normally be considered the best source - but the spectrals look awful and indicate that some kind of lossy conversion has happened. The Australian promo set is nice - complete setlist, great lossless sound - but it is heavily edited between tracks. This is likely where your bootleg was sourced from. I imagine there are a lot of people who have the Aussie promo and the bootlegs made from it and don't realize that it is incomplete. So what I have done with this remaster was to take the nice Aussie promo source and patch it with the radio station promo. The patches are undetectable because both sources are based on the same, untampered recording. Then, after some other fills and fades were applied in the proper places, I remastered the sound to more closely match an official boot from, say, the US Binaural Tour for example, which is IMO gold standard of official boots.


Mine could be the Australian promo. I actually bought it +/- 2 weeks after the show, so I always assumed that it was just a recording of the 99x Atlanta broadcast, but that wouldn't account for the editing. But until yesterday I didn't realize that it had been edited minus one spot when Ed is introducing Better Man. I've never kept up with the various sources. I had the one I had, it sounded good, blah blah blah, but this is much better and I'm glad to have it.


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Cameronia wrote:
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Cameronia wrote:
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Cameronia,

When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?


No, but perhaps the Europe 2000 tour which has very low volume levels.

Sad that we are even talking about remastering the official releases.


The mastering is fine on all the 2008-2010 boots. It's the mixes that suck. Can't do much about that.

Shows how much I know.

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Cameronia wrote:
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When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?


No, but perhaps the Europe 2000 tour which has very low volume levels.



That would be awesome. There are some good performances but I never listen to them because the sound is shit. I'm convinced Jeff did not even join them for that leg of the tour.


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Cameronia wrote:
Rebar wrote:
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When will you be remastering the 2008 bootlegs?


No, but perhaps the Europe 2000 tour which has very low volume levels.



That would be awesome. There are some good performances but I never listen to them because the sound is shit. I'm convinced Jeff did not even join them for that leg of the tour.


We went and did this years ago. Fred Evans, Bill Graham and I (some of the SV stuff is from us) made an EQ setting in Cool Edit Pro and ran each show through the same setting . Although, I'm sure the mastering techniques have improved over the years. There was quite a bit of' space' to work with in the wav's as they were not even normalized.

We also fixed MFC/Untitled in Lisbon. The first 2-3 songs on Paris CD2 are mono, nothing could be done about that.


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gatherspeed wrote:

We also fixed MFC/Untitled in Lisbon.


What's the problem there?


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Cameronia wrote:
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We also fixed MFC/Untitled in Lisbon.


What's the problem there?


They are out of order. You can tell that they were burned to the master CD incorrectly. As there is a cut at the track mark. I think (without looking at my silver CDs) the actual performance was Untitled-> Last Kiss ->MFC and the CD was screwed up so it goes Last Kiss->Untitled -> MFC.

Again, listening to the silver it is obvious in the tracking and the abrupt crowd noise change.

EDIT : Even Flow and RVM from Paris are mono.


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