Red Mosquito • View topic - 2012-09-02: Made in America Festival: Philadelphia, PA

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:42 pm

Rebar wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Rebar wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Rebar wrote:

I'm surprised none of you liberal tree hugging p.c. p*ssies haven't whined about Pearl Jam playing music for a song that objectifies women and calls them bitches.

Um, have you read B's posts in this very thread?

LOL @you guys thinking I read B's posts.

lol u got me

u mad?

i aint even mad

¡B! · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:04 am

19 days until I punch Rebar in the dick.

RayHanz14 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:15 am

SuperNintendoChalmers wrote:

RayHanz14 wrote:

- You needed to be Donald Trump to get drunk at this festival. ($11 24 oz beers * 9 hour festival = $$$$$$)

Is it that bad? What does that come to, like $5.50 for a 12oz beer? Seems like an average price for major city. Granted they're probably buying it for pennies on the dollar.

You're right, 5.50 for a beer isn't that bad for an event like this. A non-festival show usually begins a 30 pack tailgate in a parking lot to lay the foundation so that when your actually paying $5.50 a beer you're more in the "maintain" drunk/buzzed mode. I guess I was more referring to getting drunk and staying drunk for the length of the festival.

SuperNintendoChalmers · **Joined:** Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:38 pm **Posts:** 4388

RayHanz14 wrote:

SuperNintendoChalmers wrote:

RayHanz14 wrote:

- You needed to be Donald Trump to get drunk at this festival. ($11 24 oz beers * 9 hour festival = $$$$$$)

Is it that bad? What does that come to, like $5.50 for a 12oz beer? Seems like an average price for major city. Granted they're probably buying it for pennies on the dollar.

You're right, 5.50 for a beer isn't that bad for an event like this. A non-festival show usually begins a 30 pack tailgate in a parking lot to lay the foundation so that when your actually paying $5.50 a beer you're more in the "maintain" drunk/buzzed mode. I guess I was more referring to getting drunk and staying drunk for the length of the festival.

Right on.

sportsfreakpete6 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:10 am

Considering Jay Z is truly the only rap artist I thoroughly enjoy and whose actual music I respect, that was fucking amazing. The rarity aspect of it added to that fact, easily made it the best part of the show for me.

But to give all due credit, that was also the best version of Betterman I've ever heard.

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:12 am

I have no problem with someone saying Jay Z is the only rap artists whose music they enjoy, but you honestly can't think of any other rap artist whose music you respect?

sportsfreakpete6 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:21 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:

I have no problem with someone saying Jay Z is the only rap artists whose music they enjoy, but you honestly can't think of any other rap artist whose music you respect?

There are others, albeit very few, his is the only stuff I enjoy. (i don't like Drake, lil Wayne etc.). I kind of enjoy Kanye, but there's really no one else I like. And in terms of respect, I do respect many artists from pre-2000 and especially many of the original rappers and DJs. The respect comment was more in regards to still active artists.

RayHanz14 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:22 am

sportsfreakpete6 wrote:

Considering Jay Z is truly the only rap artist I thoroughly enjoy and whose actual music I respect, that was fucking amazing. The rarity aspect of it added to that fact, easily made it the best part of the show for me.

But to give all due credit, that was also the best version of Betterman I've ever heard.

GZA's "Liquid Swords" would be a great place to start to expand your mind.

Rebar · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:24 am

¡B! wrote:

19 days until I punch Rebar in the dick.

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:25 am

sportsfreakpete6 wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

I have no problem with someone saying Jay Z is the only rap artists whose music they enjoy, but you honestly can't think of any other rap artist whose music you respect?

There are others, albeit very few, his is the only stuff I enjoy. (i don't like Drake, lil Wayne etc.). I kind of enjoy Kanye, but there's really no one else I like. And in terms of respect, I do respect many artists from pre-2000 and especially many of the original rappers and DJs. The respect comment was more in regards to still active artists.

You sound like every other white kid who's afraid of rap music for some reason.

Gems and Rhinestones · **Joined:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:08 am **Posts:** 96

¡B! wrote:

warehouse wrote:

¡B! wrote:

Interesting choice for collaboration by the band that covered Leavin' Here and wrote Daughter. Imjustsayin.

have you heard the song before? its not misogynistic or anything. or do you just object to the word "bitch"?

The use of "bitch" to insult a weak, emasculated male is just as misogynistic as if you referred to a woman as "bitch." It's the same as using "gay" to refer to something as stupid.

That being said, I love the collaboration. I'm just surprised they didn't collaborate on something more innocuous like H.O.V.A. Maybe they tried and Jay-Z wouldn't go for it. Who knows.

Jay Z explaining what the word "bitch" means in the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSP7cY2u ... ata_player

I kinda of remember Eddie singing "skinny little bitch" before anyway.

warehouse · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:49 am

broken iris wrote:

Skitch Patterson wrote:

But it's not strange. It's not innovative, and frankly, it's not cool.

Damn Skitch. We get you are pissed you didn't go.

As for this particular collaboration, it's unique for Pearl Jam, and remember the JayZ/LP collaboration was a commercial team up to sell records, not a one-off done for the fans of both acts. Now, I agree it's somewhat not innovative because it's basically a live performance of the Rick Rubin mix of 99 Problems and not an original re-work of the music, but I thought it was a great surprise amidst a setlist that looks like it was written by a 90's station DJ.

its kinda funny watching him try to convince people this wasnt cool.

it was pretty damn awesome for a number of reasons. first probably being the actual music of the whole thing. they played a badass full version of WMA, bring Jay Z out for 99 problems, then go right into free world. 99 problems sounded tight, and i liked ed screwing around on w the ebow. the songs are sorta similar in subject matter too. the "wow factor" is also part of it. who ever thought pearl jam and jay z would play together? and lets be real about linkin park, i know its cool to put pj down here, but they couldnt hold pearl jam's jock. 10 years ago they were papa roach. i know jay z also performed the song w/ phish, and i dont really like phish, but they are way more respectable than linkin park.

look at it this way: Jay Z is one of the most respected and successful rap artists of all time. Pearl Jam is gonna be in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame. And they played together. Even if you weren't there, i dunno how how you dont think thats cool.

warehouse · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:55 am

Gems and Rhinestones wrote:

¡B! wrote:

warehouse wrote:

¡B! wrote:

Interesting choice for collaboration by the band that covered Leavin' Here and wrote Daughter. Imjustsayin.

have you heard the song before? its not misogynistic or anything. or do you just object to the word "bitch"?

The use of "bitch" to insult a weak, emasculated male is just as misogynistic as if you referred to a woman as "bitch." It's the same as using "gay" to refer to something as stupid.

That being said, I love the collaboration. I'm just surprised they didn't collaborate on something more innocuous like H.O.V.A. Maybe they tried and Jay-Z wouldn't go for it. Who knows.

Jay Z explaining what the word "bitch" means in the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSP7cY2u ... ata_player

I kinda of remember Eddie singing "skinny little bitch" before anyway.

eddie is a misogynist. where's B?

spenno · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:13 am

That version of 99 Problems was pretty fuggin' boss.

:nice:

¡B! · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:34 am

warehouse wrote:

Gems and Rhinestones wrote:

¡B! wrote:

warehouse wrote:

¡B! wrote:

Interesting choice for collaboration by the band that covered Leavin' Here and wrote Daughter. Imjustsayin.

have you heard the song before? its not misogynistic or anything. or do you just object to the word "bitch"?

The use of "bitch" to insult a weak, emasculated male is just as misogynistic as if you referred to a woman as "bitch." It's the same as using "gay" to refer to something as stupid.

That being said, I love the collaboration. I'm just surprised they didn't collaborate on something more innocuous like H.O.V.A. Maybe they tried and Jay-Z wouldn't go for it. Who knows.

Jay Z explaining what the word "bitch" means in the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSP7cY2u ... ata_player

I kinda of remember Eddie singing "skinny little bitch" before anyway.

eddie is a misogynist. where's B?

That explains one verse of 3. I'm hard pressed to believe that the third verse isn't about a guy "being a bitch."

Jay-Z wrote:

Now once upon a time not too long ago
A nigga like myself had to strong arm a hoe
This is not a hoe in the sense of having a pussy
But a pussy having no God Damn sense, try and push me
I tried to ignore him and talk to the Lord
Pray for him, cause some fools just love to perform
You know the type loud as a motor bike
But wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight
The only thing that's gonna happen is i'mma get to clapping
He and his boys gon' be yapping to the captain
And there I go trapped in the kit kat again
Back through the system with the riff raff again
Fiends on the floor scratching again
Paparazzi's with they cameras snapping them
D.A. tried to give the nigga the shaft again
Half-a-mil for bail cause I'm African
All because this fool was harrassin' them
Trying to play the boy like hes saccarin
But ain't nothing sweet 'bout how I hold my gun
I got 99 problems but being a bitch ain't one
Hit me

And Courtney Love's Skinny Little Bitch is, what? an autobiographical self flogging via song? I'm not sure what it means for Ed to cover that.

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:40 am

I bet B took his wife's last name.

Gems and Rhinestones · **Joined:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:08 am **Posts:** 96

¡B! wrote:

And Courtney Love's Skinny Little Bitch is, what? an autobiographical self flogging via song? I'm not sure what it means for Ed to cover that.

What? Have you ever listened to Satan's Bed ?? :shake:

warehouse · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:51 am

¡B! wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Gems and Rhinestones wrote:

¡B! wrote:

warehouse wrote:

¡B! wrote:

Interesting choice for collaboration by the band that covered Leavin' Here and wrote Daughter. Imjustsayin.

have you heard the song before? its not misogynistic or anything. or do you just object to the word "bitch"?

The use of "bitch" to insult a weak, emasculated male is just as misogynistic as if you referred to a woman as "bitch." It's the same as using "gay" to refer to something as stupid.

That being said, I love the collaboration. I'm just surprised they didn't collaborate on something more innocuous like H.O.V.A. Maybe they tried and Jay-Z wouldn't go for it. Who knows.

Jay Z explaining what the word "bitch" means in the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSP7cY2u ... ata_player

I kinda of remember Eddie singing "skinny little bitch" before anyway.

eddie is a misogynist. where's B?

That explains one verse of 3. I'm hard pressed to believe that the third verse isn't about a guy "being a bitch."

what do you think about eddie vedder using the word "bitch" to describe women in "satans bed"?

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:52 am

Guys, who the fuck cares?

¡B! · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:54 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Guys, who the fuck cares?

Fair enough.

2012-09-02: Made in America Festival: Philadelphia, PA

Who is online