latest 10club email:

PS. - Information about 2008 bootlegs will be coming soon.

sweet!

what's it gonna be?

basecamp back? with flac & mp3 downloads
silver cd's?
release a cd/dvd per show?
go the way of torrents?

can't wait baby!

Releasing a DVD per show would be the coolest thing ever; therefore, it'll never happen.

Imagine - $20-$25 a show...I'd be all over 'em all.

I think this analogy is on alot of peoples minds:

2006 is to Oink
what
2008 is to _____?

With today's PJ internet police, I'd say paying for them fills in that blank. publically, anyways.

Yeah, I will be buying too, but I bought more than 90% of them last time.

AWESOME!!!! GREAT NEWS!

This will be interesting after the mess basecamp made of the official downloads. And how now they are all over torrent sites. And people actually think oh PJ let us have officially released material for free. Once basecamp dissolved it was like finger pulled from the dyke. Could not control it, c'mon PJ knows they really messed up with having those official boots all over torrent sites. I love it when people think it was cool for PJ to LET people to trade boots freely. Really, copyrighted material for all to share free. PJ knows they need a tighter restriction on dispensing the material to prevent the copyrighted material from getting to the leechers. PJ query's this very thing with other artists. Take Gov't Mule, they allow open taping and you can download a show from MULETRACKS. But its not like the downloads are tradeable on the open torrent market. ONly the open taping recordings are allowed. Its not like there is a certain amount of time ( days, months, years) that makes trading copyrighted material under the law as it stands now essentially legal.

No matter what they do, the material is going to get to the leechers. It's a problem every artist has...whether they do it through basecamp or do it through a hard copy. They eventually make their way to the leechers.

Actually, there is. 50 years. That's why anyone can play and release Beethoven recordings, like orchestra's and such.

Did everybody get this e-mail? I've not received anything like this.

I'm an idiot. I just saw that it was attached to the VH1 e-mail.

actually it's more complicated, the way I understand it:
it's 50 years from the death of the author (internationally, but in the UK and US for example it's 70 years) for the composition (the songwriter gets that)
then there's 50 years copyright on the recording (the performer..that can be a different person)

so for 50 (or 70) years after they die (in the case of group creation until the last person dies), the music is still under copyright.
but the recording is only under copyright for 50 years after it was made (that's why Cliff Richard is moaning and campaigning for extending the copyright, he never write his own stuff, so some of the shit he did is about to fall into public domain).

So though anyone can play and record Beethoven for free.. that recording made is THEN copyrighted for 50 years for the orchestra performing it.

Going back to CDs would be great - like 2003, from ten club only. That would be all good. FLAC/mp3 would be almost as good as the silver CDs.

CD/DVD for each show - that might be asking too much, but we can wish, right?

If worse comes to worse and no boots come about I'd be willing to tape myself singing all the songs acapella for each show and make them available for download for a modest fee.

I'd even grab a few mates with a few beers in them to stand around and make some noise so you get the full concert experience. And I could get me daughter and her kindy class to do the artwork for the discs too.

Just remember the offer's there, OK?

Doesn't make any difference, they'll get out there on the torrent sites. You may have to wait some time, but I'm sure they'll get out.

mmm .. what about a sweet little monkey wrench style radio broadcast of these show's?

streaming them online would be sweet!

ASCAP would be looking for you for that modest fee. You really cant sing other people's songs without permission. Believe it or not any singer at a bar who sings other artists songs actually is breaking the law if they do not have permission to play them. Just like PJ doing covers, they have to pay the publisher of the song in order to be able to play covers. cheers

JImmy Buffet has his live shows streaming audio over the net, why not PJ

lets get on this

Why doesn't Pearl Jam dispense with the bullshit and let us open tape? That would solve all the fucking problems because then you could spread those recordings for free, they would be high quality because Pearl Jam tapers are crazy good at what they do, and then the policing could be done on eBay instead of cracking the whip about what is brought to a show. It's the most logical explanation (insert Spock emoticon). Take a hint from say Phish or even, god forbid, DMB. They act like we don't do it, but the DVDs say otherwise. The database that was at etree says otherwise. The crazy lists of bootlegs say otherwise. They have gone half way letting us "tape" with "handheld recorders". What are a few stands as long as you make it clear to the venues. Pearl Jam is a big band, just add it to the rider that tapers are friends, not enemies.

Vote TAPERS in 2008

I doubt they gave that much thought to the torrent sites. You think anyone with a real say knows what a .torrent is? I just meant the tenclub has an itchy online trigger finger now.

They did the bootlegs originally because they thought they were leaving money on the table. They were playing shows that people wanted to hear again. In the 90s, people were paying $40-$50+ for bootleg CDs. I think some people bought a couple of those and then moved on to trade tapes. Lots of tapes for little cost. PJ wanted to beat the bootleggers at their own game, but didn't have any reason to disrupt the "tape traders" who would still buy a few of their bootlegs and "tape" the rest. That is, if they even really acknowledged them.

They were recording all of their shows anyways and saw an opportunity to make some money and please their fans who were already buying CDs. They made a little bit of money and we got to buy shows at $10.98 a pop instead of double or triple that. As long as there were enough sales to cover the costs, it was Win-Win.

While they were pioneers in selling every show, the internet was gaining ground on the whole operation. People didn't need to buy expensive bootlegs or copy tapes anymore, they could get MP3s -- Not just the nerds either. Releasing studio albums, they know It was hard to compete with free in the napster age. The concept of piracy isn't alien, but I don't think they're specifically worried about torrents if they're not losing money on the bootlegs. The people trading them are their tape trading populace, their fans. In 2003, they raised the prices, shortened their turnaround time by doing having the production done on the road, and cut out the unique artwork. All 3 of these things put more money in their pockets and they still delivered CDs in cardboard pouches for less than the bootleggers.

Since then it looks like they're continuing to minimize all of their costs and maximize profits. Remember when the 2003 bootlegs appeared on iTunes without a lot of the covers? 99 cents per track, Just another attempt to grab at some cash for shows they've already played, recorded, mastered.

Since 2005, they get a bunch of artwork drawn up, they stencil a logo on a PDF, paste in the tracklist, and upload the content. No CD pressing, no printing, no shipping, no inventory.

But in addition to streamlining their business, the internet has had an impact on our consumption. With the download-only model, I'm less interested in buying a lot of bootlegs because they're intangible, and a copy of a friend's bootleg (like a tape) is exactly the same as what I'd get if I bought it legitimately. With CDs, I'm more likely to buy more since I perceive more value, but they get less money per boot.

I bought all the 2000's and 2003's. Bought maybe 5 total for 2005-2006, and will probably only buy the two 2008 shows I'm going to. I think that's fair. I'm sure they won't be doing any volume of CDs again, and if the FLACs didn't sell enough, they probably won't bother with those either.

And as long as they don't feel like they're leaving money on the table, I doubt they'll do anything about torrent traders.