Board index » Word on the Street... » News & Debate




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 112 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar
High Roller
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:47 pm
Posts: 13660
Location: Long Island
Gender: Male
Kevman wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070518/ts_alt_afp/uskennedyhistory_070518124611

granted this comes from AFP, but it was in the news today.


nice

_________________
2006-7 NFL Champions!

RM Led Zeppelin Tourney Champ


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:25 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:47 pm
Posts: 2932
punkdavid wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
IEB! wrote:
Allen Dulles response when asked about the Warren Commissions report and how he could release it so full of inconsistencies:

"The American people don't read."


David, Chris, look who's side you're on. LOL.



Three shots or six shots, it doesn't matter much. It was three shots from a bolt-action rifle, two direct hits, in six seconds, against a target moving across the field of fire, and the wounds don't jibe with the position of the shooter.


That's just wrong, plain and simple.
You haven't researched this issue, plain and simple.

Don't tell me what I've researched and what I haven't.

Which part is wrong, just plain wrong?





November 22, 1963; Oswald takes a long brown package to work. "Curtain rods", he tells the man who gives him a ride to work every morning.
At 11:40 eyewitnesses place Oswald on sixth floor. Five men working there break for lunch, leave Oswald alone.
At 12:05 an employee goes to sixth floor to look for a vantage point to view motorcade; he notices books and boxes stacked high enough to cover window in southeast corner.
12:30 motorcade passes; from Oswald's vantage point it's an easy shot, especially for a trained marksman such as Oswald (factually, he was classified as a "sharpshooter" in the Marines). When looking through his scope, the final kill shot would appear to be 25 yards.
First shot, miss, there were oak tree branches in his line of fire.
Second shot, 3.5 seconds later, hits Kennedy and Connally.
Third shot, 8.4 seconds after the first, kills Kennedy.

The second shot was neither "magic" nor "pristine", it hits Kennedy in the back, exits his throat, tumbling, it enters Connally's right shoulder, leaving an entrance wound nearly exactly the length of the bullet, exiting right chest, enters and exits his right wrists and superficially lodges in his left thigh. Countless tests have verified the ablility of a single bullet to do such damage. There are no "fancy physics" nor mystical directional changes as Oliver Stone comically suggests, the bullet maintains a straight path until it is deflected off of Connally's rib and makes a slight directional change. The bullet, later discovered on Connally's stretcher, was not "pristine", it was significantly damaged.

The third shot has been established, without a doubt, to have come from the rear (any theories which suggest otherwise can be immediately dismissed). The brain spray in the Zapruder film is from the exit wound, close examination of the film reveals Kennedy's head does lurch forward at the moment of impact before it's propelled backwards by the "jet effect".

The vast majority of witnesses (close to 90%) testified that there were three shots. Three shots which the overwhelming evidence suggests came from the rifle that was found on the sixth floor of the depository, where Oswald had been left alone (there were 3 spent cartridge cases on the floor in the shooter's "nest"). Within minutes eyewitness had pinpointed the book depository. Oswald had earlier instructed his wife to take pictures of him with the rifle (these photos are real, don't believe the hype).

One would be hard pressed, at this point, to find any compelling evidence which places another (or two or three) shooter(s) in Dealey that day.

_________________
For your sake
I hope heaven and hell
are really there
but I wouldn't hold my breath


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar
High Roller
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:47 pm
Posts: 13660
Location: Long Island
Gender: Male
Quote:
The vast majority of witnesses (close to 90%) testified that there were three shots


where are you getting this? The Warren Commission? Haha

_________________
2006-7 NFL Champions!

RM Led Zeppelin Tourney Champ


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 2:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Team Binaural
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Wed May 24, 2006 5:23 pm
Posts: 12793
Location: Tours, FR
Gender: Male
I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
This is one of the most chilling things ive watched. Oliver Stone should have made a film about this. "Munich/JFK" style. No critic against the conspiracy has ever commented on this.

If you have the time please watch it from 20:50- 45:00

Corsican Mafia....crazy stuff


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7028337371


I'm fucking innocent :?

_________________
There has never been a silence like this before


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:38 pm
Posts: 2461
Location: Austin
punkdavid wrote:
I've always felt it required more mental gymnastics to believe that it was a single shooter than that it was two or three. That's how I assess reasonableness.


I've always felt the exact opposite. To me, it takes much more mental gymnastics to believe in a vast conspiracy as opposed to a loner with mental problems that popped somebody from 50 yards away with a scoped rifle.

Quick question - how many people here would say they're decently experienced with bolt action rifles?


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Needs to start paying for bandwidth
 Profile

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:20 am
Posts: 31173
Is this case still under investigation?


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:07 am 
Offline
Force of Nature
 Profile

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:52 pm
Posts: 770
Location: New York City Via Buffalo NY
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar
High Roller
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:47 pm
Posts: 13660
Location: Long Island
Gender: Male
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!

_________________
2006-7 NFL Champions!

RM Led Zeppelin Tourney Champ


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:09 pm 
Offline
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:37 pm
Posts: 1281
Location: Tampa, FL
conoalias wrote:
Is this case still under investigation?


I think it will always be under investigation.

_________________
"Relaxed, but Edgy" - Ed, Raleigh, NC April, 2003


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:46 pm 
Offline
Force of Nature
 Profile

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:52 pm
Posts: 770
Location: New York City Via Buffalo NY
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:47 pm
Posts: 2932
Kevman wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Nah...it was an easy shot.

The motorcade mad a "S" turn prior to entering Dealey. There was little time to size it up on the first approach...also the turn from Houston onto Elm is 120 degrees, the motorcade slowed down to 10 mph. Remember, if you're going to accept the lone shooter theory, you have to realize that when the motorcade turned on to Houston it would have been Oswald's first view of it. He wasn't sure exactly what to expect.
On top of that... certainly you can understand a greater comfort level in having everything unfold while you're behind the motorcade...all eyes are on the motorcade.

_________________
For your sake
I hope heaven and hell
are really there
but I wouldn't hold my breath


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:35 pm 
Offline
Force of Nature
 Profile

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:52 pm
Posts: 770
Location: New York City Via Buffalo NY
Man in Black wrote:
Kevman wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Nah...it was an easy shot.

The motorcade mad a "S" turn prior to entering Dealey. There was little time to size it up on the first approach...also the turn from Houston onto Elm is 120 degrees, the motorcade slowed down to 10 mph. Remember, if you're going to accept the lone shooter theory, you have to realize that when the motorcade turned on to Houston it would have been Oswald's first view of it. He wasn't sure exactly what to expect.
On top of that... certainly you can understand a greater comfort level in having everything unfold while you're behind the motorcade...all eyes are on the motorcade.


ok...those are much better answers. still, a sadsad moment


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar
High Roller
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:47 pm
Posts: 13660
Location: Long Island
Gender: Male
Man in Black wrote:
Kevman wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Nah...it was an easy shot.

The motorcade mad a "S" turn prior to entering Dealey. There was little time to size it up on the first approach...also the turn from Houston onto Elm is 120 degrees, the motorcade slowed down to 10 mph. Remember, if you're going to accept the lone shooter theory, you have to realize that when the motorcade turned on to Houston it would have been Oswald's first view of it. He wasn't sure exactly what to expect.
On top of that... certainly you can understand a greater comfort level in having everything unfold while you're behind the motorcade...all eyes are on the motorcade.


seems kinda weak to me. You're obviously making Oswald out to be one of the best shooters of all time. The guy should be in the Bolt Action Rifle Hall of Fame. He's Babe Ruth in that place.

_________________
2006-7 NFL Champions!

RM Led Zeppelin Tourney Champ


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:54 am
Posts: 7189
Location: CA
Clubber wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
Kevman wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Nah...it was an easy shot.

The motorcade mad a "S" turn prior to entering Dealey. There was little time to size it up on the first approach...also the turn from Houston onto Elm is 120 degrees, the motorcade slowed down to 10 mph. Remember, if you're going to accept the lone shooter theory, you have to realize that when the motorcade turned on to Houston it would have been Oswald's first view of it. He wasn't sure exactly what to expect.
On top of that... certainly you can understand a greater comfort level in having everything unfold while you're behind the motorcade...all eyes are on the motorcade.


seems kinda weak to me. You're obviously making Oswald out to be one of the best shooters of all time. The guy should be in the Bolt Action Rifle Hall of Fame. He's Babe Ruth in that place.


If he shot when the motorcade was closest - if I understand the setup correctly - then he would be firing when the car was traveling tangential to his position, requiring him to lead the target more and decreasing the chance of a hit. If however, he fired when the car was further away but traveling almost directly towards or away from him it wouldn't require any significant lead.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:25 pm 
Offline
Mike's Maniac
 Profile

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:48 pm
Posts: 2783
Location: Boston, MA
Wasn't the scope broken?


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar
See you in another life, brother
 Profile

Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:01 pm
Posts: 13165
Gender: Male
Man in Black wrote:
Kevman wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Nah...it was an easy shot.

The motorcade mad a "S" turn prior to entering Dealey. There was little time to size it up on the first approach...also the turn from Houston onto Elm is 120 degrees, the motorcade slowed down to 10 mph. Remember, if you're going to accept the lone shooter theory, you have to realize that when the motorcade turned on to Houston it would have been Oswald's first view of it. He wasn't sure exactly what to expect.
On top of that... certainly you can understand a greater comfort level in having everything unfold while you're behind the motorcade...all eyes are on the motorcade.


Or...they were waiting for the motercade to reach the area where they could benefit from a beatiful cross-triangulation set up.

_________________
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
-- John Steinbeck


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Of Counsel
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:14 am
Posts: 37778
Location: OmaGOD!!!
Gender: Male
I still have several unanswered questions but this site has been very helpful to me:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

_________________
Unfortunately, at the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Flower Children jerked off and went back to sleep.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:37 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:47 pm
Posts: 2932
punkdavid wrote:
I still have several unanswered questions but this site has been very helpful to me:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm


Folks, any research you do regarding this issue should involve reading
Case Closed by Gerald Posner.

_________________
For your sake
I hope heaven and hell
are really there
but I wouldn't hold my breath


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:42 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:47 pm
Posts: 2932
aprilfifth wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
Kevman wrote:
Clubber wrote:
Kevman wrote:
i can side with either side when i hear the arguements. but one gigantic issue i have is from JFK the movie. If it was a single shooter for the book depository, why not take him out before they make that turn with the oak tree in the way? it was a straight unobstructed shot for a single dude to make. seems odd.


Cause Oswald was a crazy/psycho! He was too stupid to use common sense! Duh!


not a good enough answer for me. the guy supposedly wanted to be remembered forever for fulfilling his mission. the first approach all but guarantees that. the second approach contains a lot of chances of a miss. even for a sharp shooter.

Po TA toe, PO ta toe.


Nah...it was an easy shot.

The motorcade mad a "S" turn prior to entering Dealey. There was little time to size it up on the first approach...also the turn from Houston onto Elm is 120 degrees, the motorcade slowed down to 10 mph. Remember, if you're going to accept the lone shooter theory, you have to realize that when the motorcade turned on to Houston it would have been Oswald's first view of it. He wasn't sure exactly what to expect.
On top of that... certainly you can understand a greater comfort level in having everything unfold while you're behind the motorcade...all eyes are on the motorcade.


Or...they were waiting for the motercade to reach the area where they could benefit from a beatiful cross-triangulation set up.


There is neither ballistic nor wound evidence, nor anything on the Zapruder film, which supports this theory. Do you understand that?

_________________
For your sake
I hope heaven and hell
are really there
but I wouldn't hold my breath


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:18 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:35 am
Posts: 1311
Location: Lexington
Somewhere, Oliver Stone is masturbating furiously.

_________________
punkdavid wrote:
Make sure to bring a bottle of vitriol. And wear a condom so you don't insinuate her.

--PunkDavid


Last edited by deathbyflannel on Wed May 23, 2007 11:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 112 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

Board index » Word on the Street... » News & Debate


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
It is currently Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:41 pm