but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
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* 7:15 a.m.: A 9-1-1 call to Virginia Tech Police reports a shooting at West Ambler Johnston Hall, leaving one person dead and another wounded.[18][19]
* 9:00 a.m.: Shooter opens fire in classroom in Norris Hall, an engineering building.[18]
* 9:26 a.m.: Emails go out to campus staff and faculty saying there has been a shooting on campus.[4]
* 9:50 a.m.: An email announcing "A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows" [sic] is sent to all Virginia Tech email addresses.
* 10:52 a.m.: Follow up email goes to VTech campus regarding shooting
* 12:00 p.m.: At a press conference, authorities said there may have been more than 21 people killed and 28 injured.[20]
* 2:30 p.m.: AP reports at least 31 killed, including gunman.
* 3:40 p.m.: Virginia Tech confirms 22 dead.
* 4:01 p.m.: President Bush speaks from the White House regarding the shooting.[21]
* 4:40 p.m.: The school holds a press conference with updates on the day's events.[1]
* 4:42 p.m: Virginia Tech confirms 33 dead.[1]
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i got bugs wrote:
a serious question, not to sound like a dick
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
In defense, I heard the interview with that Trey Perkins guy mentioned on the last page, and apparently he and a couple ofther guys in his class, after the shooter shot two people in his classroom, closed the door and blocked the shooter's reentry with their feet on the door. He shot 5 bullets through the door trying to get back in, but failed and moved on.
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
In defense, I heard the interview with that Trey Perkins guy mentioned on the last page, and apparently he and a couple ofther guys in his class, after the shooter shot two people in his classroom, closed the door and blocked the shooter's reentry with their feet on the door. He shot 5 bullets through the door trying to get back in, but failed and moved on.
true..what made me post that was that i heard that he lined up a class and did like a mass execution thing..fuck, its diffferent if i was in the situation and all, but i if i knew he was eventually gonna shoot me, id run at the fucker, i may die in the process, but i was goin anyway..fuck it..if i got to him, maybe others would live
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i got bugs wrote:
a serious question, not to sound like a dick
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
i was thinking the same thing. i guess at the time you look at it like i either jump out the window and risk breaking a leg, or attack this dude w/ a bat and risk getting killed.
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but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
In defense, I heard the interview with that Trey Perkins guy mentioned on the last page, and apparently he and a couple ofther guys in his class, after the shooter shot two people in his classroom, closed the door and blocked the shooter's reentry with their feet on the door. He shot 5 bullets through the door trying to get back in, but failed and moved on.
true..what made me post that was that i heard that he lined up a class and did like a mass execution thing..fuck, its diffferent if i was in the situation and all, but i if i knew he was eventually gonna shoot me, id run at the fucker, i may die in the process, but i was goin anyway..fuck it..if i got to him, maybe others would live
i admire your heroic philosophy, and i'd say the same thing. however i've never been in a shootout and have no idea how and if i would react, i'd probably freeze. there are probably very few people who could actually do something in the heat of the moment.
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
i was thinking the same thing. i guess at the time you look at it like i either jump out the window and risk breaking a leg, or attack this dude w/ a bat and risk getting killed.
conoalias wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
a serious question, not to sound like a dick
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
In defense, I heard the interview with that Trey Perkins guy mentioned on the last page, and apparently he and a couple ofther guys in his class, after the shooter shot two people in his classroom, closed the door and blocked the shooter's reentry with their feet on the door. He shot 5 bullets through the door trying to get back in, but failed and moved on.
true..what made me post that was that i heard that he lined up a class and did like a mass execution thing..fuck, its diffferent if i was in the situation and all, but i if i knew he was eventually gonna shoot me, id run at the fucker, i may die in the process, but i was goin anyway..fuck it..if i got to him, maybe others would live
i admire your heroic philosophy, and i'd say the same thing. however i've never been in a shootout and have no idea how and if i would react, i'd probably freeze. there are probably very few people who could actually do something in the heat of the moment.
yeah i know me too
its just id think at least one person wouldve been nuts enough to say "fuck it"
i thought the same thing when 9/11 happened, and i was like outta 200 on the plane, there was only a couple of them..why not gang em and kick the shit outta them??
right now i guess im pissed and i feel like goin after them, bt in the situation who knows how we'd all react
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but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
i was thinking the same thing. i guess at the time you look at it like i either jump out the window and risk breaking a leg, or attack this dude w/ a bat and risk getting killed.
conoalias wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
a serious question, not to sound like a dick
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
In defense, I heard the interview with that Trey Perkins guy mentioned on the last page, and apparently he and a couple ofther guys in his class, after the shooter shot two people in his classroom, closed the door and blocked the shooter's reentry with their feet on the door. He shot 5 bullets through the door trying to get back in, but failed and moved on.
true..what made me post that was that i heard that he lined up a class and did like a mass execution thing..fuck, its diffferent if i was in the situation and all, but i if i knew he was eventually gonna shoot me, id run at the fucker, i may die in the process, but i was goin anyway..fuck it..if i got to him, maybe others would live
i admire your heroic philosophy, and i'd say the same thing. however i've never been in a shootout and have no idea how and if i would react, i'd probably freeze. there are probably very few people who could actually do something in the heat of the moment.
yeah i know me too
its just id think at least one person wouldve been nuts enough to say "fuck it"
i thought the same thing when 9/11 happened, and i was like outta 200 on the plane, there was only a couple of them..why not gang em and kick the shit outta them??
right now i guess im pissed and i feel like goin after them, bt in the situation who knows how we'd all react
because usually in hijacked plane situations, the passengers are held hostage for some kind of political reason and are used as a bartering tool, they're not usually flown into buildings or killed.
maybe the kids in these classrooms, before the shooting started, were so terrified they thought it would be best to go along and make the kid happy in the hopes he wouldn't kill anyone. after the shooting started i'm sure it was complete pandemonium.
i have a lot of friends and family at tech, i havnt heard from all of them but i hope to god that they are all safe and doing ok... both of my parents went there, my brother in law went there, i almost went there... i go to a lot of football games there... its just devistating to hear that someone could be so senseless... my heart goes out to all of those who have lost a friend or family member...
"Email warning came two hours after first shooting"
i don't understand you have to take off your shoes to get in a plane, but some guy is wandering round a 26000 students campus with a gun like it's popcorn...
this is America baby.
yeah...well. dunno what to say. i'm sorry for america
just read this on CNN.com
Asked why the campus, which has more than 26,000 students, was not shut down after the first shooting, Flinchum responded that police received information that "it was an isolated event to that building and the decision was made not to cancel classes at that time."
Steger added, "We had some reason to believe the shooter had left campus."
an isolated event? they thought this guy left campus? wouldn't you at least notify the professors or have campus safety sweep all the buildings or something? i'm sure this blindsided officials at VT - but it sounds like someone fumbled big time and saying "we had reason to believe the shooter left" sounds like a statement to cover someone's ass
i agree. some jerk didn't do his/her job, and now you have 30 students dead.
Sorry, but the shooter is at fault, not whoever decided not to cancel classes. Isolated shootings happen quite often, and this wouldn't have been a front-page story had there not been a rampage two hours later. I think it is perfectly reasonable to believe that somebody who has just shot somebody would try to get as far away from the place as possible.
The basic principle is that a rational agent makes decisions based on its history of percepts, its current environment (which may be fully observed or partially observed), the input from its sensors, and its goal. In this case, it's obvious that the environment is only partially observable (with the only pertinent piece of information being that their was a shooting), the percept history is similar past events, and the goal being to maximize safety while allowing for continued education. It's really hard to say, given the scope of the information they had, that they made an irrational decision, as had they decided to cancel classes, the same outcome could have occurred the next day, or whenever they did decide to hold classes again.
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invention wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
warehouse wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
a serious question, not to sound like a dick
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
i was thinking the same thing. i guess at the time you look at it like i either jump out the window and risk breaking a leg, or attack this dude w/ a bat and risk getting killed.
conoalias wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
i got bugs wrote:
a serious question, not to sound like a dick
but why did not one person try to stand up to him..i realize he had a gun and all, but he couldnt watch everyone in a building at one time..did anyone go down fighting??
In defense, I heard the interview with that Trey Perkins guy mentioned on the last page, and apparently he and a couple ofther guys in his class, after the shooter shot two people in his classroom, closed the door and blocked the shooter's reentry with their feet on the door. He shot 5 bullets through the door trying to get back in, but failed and moved on.
true..what made me post that was that i heard that he lined up a class and did like a mass execution thing..fuck, its diffferent if i was in the situation and all, but i if i knew he was eventually gonna shoot me, id run at the fucker, i may die in the process, but i was goin anyway..fuck it..if i got to him, maybe others would live
i admire your heroic philosophy, and i'd say the same thing. however i've never been in a shootout and have no idea how and if i would react, i'd probably freeze. there are probably very few people who could actually do something in the heat of the moment.
yeah i know me too
its just id think at least one person wouldve been nuts enough to say "fuck it"
i thought the same thing when 9/11 happened, and i was like outta 200 on the plane, there was only a couple of them..why not gang em and kick the shit outta them??
right now i guess im pissed and i feel like goin after them, bt in the situation who knows how we'd all react
because usually in hijacked plane situations, the passengers are held hostage for some kind of political reason and are used as a bartering tool, they're not usually flown into buildings or killed.
maybe the kids in these classrooms, before the shooting started, were so terrified they thought it would be best to go along and make the kid happy in the hopes he wouldn't kill anyone. after the shooting started i'm sure it was complete pandemonium.[/quote
i thought the same thing as i got bugs - why didn't someone just attack the guy - but in the heat of the moment, 99% of people would just freeze and be in shock, it would be so surreal to see something like that happening in front of your own eyes
it's that 1% who might actually go after the guy, but the rest of us? we'll be sitting there with our mouths open and panicking and trying to figure out what the heck is going on - total mindblow
still can't believe how much this is on my mind today...
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awfully true
this is aweful
