After they get done capping it remains way below the water table done in the gas/oil/coal bed. Again, all that crap is apparently capped off and has no way of going back up.

Are you sure it's used water? Everything the guys I talked to (field operators to engineers) said that once they shoot the water it doesn't spill out elsewhere or go into other pools. The pools could have been water extracted elsewhere and transported to the holding pond before fracking occurred.

I'm not surprised that the recipe used for fracking is a strongly kept secret.... From what I understand it's not chemicals that make it powerful, it's aggregate, it's the type of sand and grit they use. The convert the water into an abrasive slurry to cut through the shale. Not sure what the chemicals provide.

I specifically asked the guys if they knew what the chemicals were, and nobody knew for certain. The two engineers that were at the table said they didn't have any real health concerns about it either way, the one was a field tech, and both were pretty firm in their belief that it would be physically impossible to get leaching into the water table through the process due to capping.

When I talk about safety, yes, sour gas is a concern. But they are extremely careful in the ways they deal with sour gas. Nobody is knowingly being sent into locations where sour gas is going to kill people dead without the proper PPE.

So does everything I say not matter because I work in the natural gas industry?

From my experience, Produced water is the naturally occuring stuff that comes out of the ground in the process of oil/ gas production. Some deposits have about as much water as oil, while others do not have quite such significant amounts. Flowback refers specifically to the frack water with all those lovely additives that comes back out of the ground.

It was my summer job to try to clean up the Produced water so that they didn't have to dispose of it in injection wells, which is the industry standard outside of the Utah area where they use evaporation ponds.

So does everything I say not matter because I work in the natural gas industry?

not everything.


i can only repeat what the movie says, but he claims that the terms are used synonymously.

based on your comment though, flowback water is real and comes back out of the ground, therefore its not contained in LW's magic capping process.

you've also backed up the existence of the evaporation ponds and the need for injection wells which, again as the movie explains, are more elaborate ways of evaporating all these brutal things found in the fracking cocktail.

Magic capping process? Let me ask you a question, if the capping process was magic, how in the hell do you think they capture gas into the gas gatherers in the first place without having it spill out high pressure deposits in the first place? This is why I hate discussing the most mundane of topics with you. You know what's magic? Getting gas into a pipeline without pressure seal in the bore going into the ground.

but elliseamos and B have seen a movie about this

I'm sorry, but I can't comfortably debate this until I see a movie about it.

I'm sorry, but I can't comfortably debate this until I see a movie about it.

would you then like to discuss it with people who actually work in the gas industry?

If there is anything the last few years of economic meltdowns and oil spills have taught me, it's that you should fully trust those with a profit motive to tell you the truth, no matter the consequences.

After you see the movie about it, would you then like to discuss it with people who actually work in the gas industry?

We were out with clients and all had a good laugh about the movie, but no details were discussed.

I honestly don't give a shit about anything in this thread, I'm just here for lulz, just like your clients.