About 9/11 and the families who want the gov't to take responsibility and apologize:

Many Bu$h supporters will tell you that we should be blaming the terrorists, not the president. But think of it this way.

You are going on vacation, but you know that there is crime wave sweeping though your neighborhood. So you hire a company for 24 hour protection of your home, your belongings, and your pets.

You get home from vacation, your house is burned to the ground and your pets are dead. The company says to you, "Oh, we did not secure the basement lock on your home and that is how they got in, and then our security officer went out for coffee, and the cameras were cheap and defective. Besides, we did not think anything would happen."

Who do you blame?

This country was supposed to be protected from terrorist attacks, but they got in. Sure the terrorists are the criminals, but is there no responsibility to be placed on the people who are sworn to protect us?

Thoughts, not arguments, please.

i think its stupid to but the blame soley on bush.

lets sue car makers, because they know that there product has the capacity to maim or kill you

lets sue toaster makers, because if their product falls into a bathtub, they know it will kill you

lets sue arod for trying to slap the ball out of aroyo's hand, even though aroyo looks stupid with braids, because he could have potentially caused millions of boston fans heartache

What a silly question. The terrorists.

Bush had August 2001 off to prepare for what?

Damn straight he should be held responsible. Until they can cough up some credible eveidence as to who really pulled all the strings on that September day. All the fingers of the rest of the world know who to point to.

youre 100% correct, they showed video of the attacks again, and you can clearly see bush, chaney, rums and condola parachuting from the planes laughing their asses off

What about the Oklahoma City bombings? What about Columbine H.S.? What about the World Trade Center bombings in 1993?

Who do you blame for those?

But who let them in and what gov't agency let us down?

And what about my analogy? If you trusted an entity to protect you against a KNOWN threat, and the protectors failed though bad judgement, how is it that we can't expect an apology from the gov't???

Step back and be objective for a moment. This is a mental challenge I am presenting here, because there is so much emotion wrapped up in the events of 9/11.

I don't think this could have been prevented, and I am not one who goes around "blaming" dubya for this, but I think there is something to be said for the families who lost a loved one on 9/11 who think they deserve an apology from the gov't.

What they do warrant is a real independent inquiry by an unbiased group of people who wouldn't know Bush, Chaney or any other tool in power.

Again, *I* blame no one at all...I am talking about the families of the victims who feel they deserve an apology.

For the record, I think the gov't let us down on the the first WTC bombing, the bombing of the embassies, and the bombing of the USS Cole. I strive for objectivity in the face of overwhelming subjectivity.

Columbine and OK city (and the abortion clinic shootings) are indemic of the evil that is pervading this country whose roots are deep and are another discussion altogehter.

excellent post. see page 358 of the 9/11 final report. they story of when the government failed us is paused by a example of when the government worked correctly. It was the cheif executive. Bush is a gleaming embicile.

The 9/11 Secret in the CIA's Back Pocket
By Robert Scheer
The Los Angeles Times

Tuesday 19 October 2004

The agency is withholding a damning report that points at senior officials.
It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general's office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.

"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."

When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered. "We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report," she said. "We are very concerned."

According to the intelligence official, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity, release of the report, which represents an exhaustive 17-month investigation by an 11-member team within the agency, has been "stalled." First by acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and now by Porter J. Goss, the former Republican House member (and chairman of the Intelligence Committee) who recently was appointed CIA chief by President Bush.

The official stressed that the report was more blunt and more specific than the earlier bipartisan reports produced by the Bush-appointed Sept. 11 commission and Congress.

"What all the other reports on 9/11 did not do is point the finger at individuals, and give the how and what of their responsibility. This report does that," said the intelligence official. "The report found very senior-level officials responsible."

By law, the only legitimate reason the CIA director has for holding back such a report is national security. Yet neither Goss nor McLaughlin has invoked national security as an explanation for not delivering the report to Congress.

"It surely does not involve issues of national security," said the intelligence official.

"The agency directorate is basically sitting on the report until after the election," the official continued. "No previous director of CIA has ever tried to stop the inspector general from releasing a report to the Congress, in this case a report requested by Congress."

None of this should surprise us given the Bush administration's great determination since 9/11 to resist any serious investigation into how the security of this nation was so easily breached. In Bush's much ballyhooed war on terror, ignorance has been bliss.

The president fought against the creation of the Sept. 11 commission, for example, agreeing only after enormous political pressure was applied by a grass-roots movement led by the families of those slain.

And then Bush refused to testify to the commission under oath, or on the record. Instead he deigned only to chat with the commission members, with Vice President Dick Cheney present, in a White House meeting in which commission members were not allowed to take notes. All in all, strange behavior for a man who seeks reelection to the top office in the land based on his handling of the so-called war on terror.

In September, the New York Times reported that several family members met with Goss privately to demand the release of the CIA inspector general's report. "Three thousand people were killed on 9/11, and no one has been held accountable," 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser told the paper.

The failure to furnish the report to Congress, said Harman, "fuels the perception that no one is being held accountable. It is unacceptable that we don't have [the report]; it not only disrespects Congress but it disrespects the American people."

The stonewalling by the Bush administration and the failure of Congress to gain release of the report have, said the intelligence source, "led the management of the CIA to believe it can engage in a cover-up with impunity. Unless the public demands an accounting, the administration and CIA's leadership will have won and the nation will have lost."

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And the funny thing is........there are idiots who think this guy is doing a super job and are going to vote for him again. So please tell me who was really behind 911!

noone is arguing there weren't serious fuckups with intelligence, but if you think bush was behind 911, youre an even bigger idiot than i was led to believe

We are all entitled to our opinions. And like I said, when they come up with the solid proof maybe I will change my mind. But the track record sure points in his direction. I wish I could be from America where most of the population is naive and will cling to the last hope. You probably think Saddam was an imminent threat to your country too. If killing innocent people is an excuse to get a leader out of power. Who are you going to be voting for?

Discussion please, not insults...

And asking someone who they are voting for is not cool either. It's like asking someone how much money they make. Besides, I think a person's vote privacy is protecteed by law.

But one thing about Bu$h's role in 9/11 and the aftermath...why did he NOT go into Saudi Arabi and kick their asses instead of going into a marginally related country who had no weapons and posed no threat?

Why not Saudi Arabia? Why not go after the terroists where they are instead of creating a conflict to draw terrorists to it like a magnet?

Bu$h supporters, WHY IRAQ OVER SAUDI ARABIA????????

WHY???

My hubby is a Bu$h supporter who is very versed on war tactics and foreign policy, and he can't answer this question, and it is eating away at him. It may be that last straw that makes him vote for Kerry.

I ask the Bu$h supporters to please answer this question because I have yet to find one who CAN answer it.

maybe youre just not expressing you opinion properly. do you mean the administrations lack of sharing info among its various departments is to blame, and since bush is in charge, hes theoraticaly responsible, and its directly on his shoulders because he should have fully integrated the cia, fbi and other various departments the minute he took office.

or do you mean bush is directly responisble for the terrorists attacking the united states?

Sorry for the slander peeps/genx and everybody else.

This is how I view it peeps: For the original post. The fact that the powers that be couldn't get their supposed information together is a huge problem which in my opinion must go to the top. Kind of like how the prison abuse got railroaded and Rumsfeld got away scot free. This should not happen in a supposed democratic society in which the US brags itself to be.

Now as for who really was behind the 911 performance. So I don't irk all the Yanks. I will say that I think that there was more American money behind that day then you could ever imagine possible. Toss in some big names just for the fun of it.

So that is how I feel. Like I said everybody has an opinion, view, excuse. We just get to air them on boards like this.

no apologies necessary, but appreciated. Just trying to keep civility in my little post, there is so much diviseness in this country, so much hate and anger. I don't want to be the cause of more of it!

opps...I mean

so anyone out there willing to answer my question about saudi arabia???

Ah...............oil, money, oil and money?

Ah...............oil, money, oil and money? [/quote]

This is the only reason I can come up with, this and the fact that Bu$h is a total moron. Like I said, even my hubby could not come up with an answer to this one.

Maybe I will make this it's own post and see what response I get...though the synergy board has more Bu$hies...

Again...why Iraq over Saudia Arabia????

Bush is not a smart man. You can tell it when he speaks. If he can't even put together 1 good word in a sentence, who knows what kind of dumb thoughts go through his mind. Yet people back him up because he is our president. His decisions were not smart ones. They were not correct.
He made wrong decisions, and now many young American soldiers are dead because of him. I say, let's get him out and someone else in.
I don't know if Kerry will do a good job or not. We never know this. But Sheesh, what else can happen that hasn't already? Think about it.

Aside from terroist getting in to the USA, let's think about other problems in our world also. Like shitty healthcare! Things that Matter. Bush must go.

What makes me sicker than anything is driving by middle class peoples houses and seeing those signs up on their lawn. Bush for president. They are so clueless. Not to mention the poor who put them up. sad sad sad.