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'Hobbit' Brain Supports Species Theory

Thu Mar 3, 4:31 PM ET

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By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, AP Science Writer

Scientists working with powerful imaging computers say the spectacular "Hobbit" fossil recently discovered in Indonesia had distinctive brain features that could justify its classification as a separate — and tiny — human ancestor.

The new report, published Thursday in the online journal Science Express, seems to support the idea of a sophisticated human dwarf species marooned for eons while modern man proliferated.

The new research produced a computer-generated model that compared surface impressions on the inside of the fossil skull with brain casts of modern and ancient humans, as well as chimps and other primates.

The scientists said the model shows that the 3-foot specimen, nicknamed Hobbit, had a brain unlike anything they had seen before in the human lineage. The brain is chimplike in size, about 417 cubic centimeters.

Yet the Hobbit's brain shared wrinkled surface features with the much larger brains of both modern humans and Homo erectus, a tool-making ancestor that lived in southeast Asia more than 1 million years ago. Some of those brain features are consistent with higher cognitive traits.

These brain features coincide with physical evidence of advanced behaviors, such as hunting, firemaking and the use of stone tools, which were found alongside the bones in a cave on the remote equatorial island of Flores. To some, this suggests an organized society of tiny hunters flourished on the island for millennia at a time when modern humans dominated the planet.

"This is a unique creature," said Florida State University anthropologist Dean Falk, who led the study. "We found amazing, specialized features across the surface from front to back."

"These findings are consistent with the kinds of sophisticated behaviors that are hypothesized" for the Hobbit, Falk said, but she stopped short of saying the Hobbit was a tool-maker.

In October, scientists from Indonesia and Australia caused an international sensation with their report of a trove of tiny fossils. As many as eight individuals were represented in layers that were dated from 95,000 to 12,000 years ago. The Hobbit skeleton was the most complete specimen and contained the only skull.

In a project funded by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society, Falk and researchers from Washington University in St. Louis created a three-dimensional computer model of the brain using CT scans of the interior of the Hobbit's skull. Known as virtual endocasts, these images show the wrinkles, vessels and other surface features that made faint impressions on the skull's lining.

They compared that model with the brains of chimps, a female Homo erectus, a contemporary woman, a pygmy and a European specimen of a person with a small-brain syndrome known as microcephaly.

Scientists say its brain shape is most closely associated with that of Homo erectus. However, it also reflects some features of modern humans, including:

_A fissure near the back of the brain known as the lunate sulcus, similarly found in the modern human brain. "I almost fell over seeing this feature in something so small," Falk said.

_A swollen temporal lobe, the mid-brain area between the ears where hearing, memory, image identification and emotions are processed.

_A part of the frontal lobe near the eyes that is thought to be involved in planning and initiative-taking.

Such advanced brain features were especially surprising because the rest of the skeleton has more primitive traits like coarse teeth and an apelike pelvis similar to human ancestors that emerged in Africa some 4 million years ago.

"It's a really strange combination of traits," said Michael J. Morwood of the University of New England in Australia, one of the Hobbit's excavators. "It is a new, diminutive human species."



Whether the Hobbit evolved into a dwarfed form of Homo erectus or hails from another, older human cousin is unknown, he said.

Other human evolution specialists were split over the new report.

Katerina Semendeferi of the University of California-San Diego described it as a "cutting edge study." While the Hobbit brain does not fit neatly into an evolutionary pattern, she said it is too much to expect that all species would have brain sizes that would neatly transition in size from ape to modern human.

But some experts dismissed the brain-scan study as "trivial." Primatologist Robert Martin, provost of the Field Museum in Chicago, said the Hobbit probably was a modern human that suffered from a form of microcephaly.

But Falk said the Hobbit brain was quite different from the brain of a modern human with abnormal brain growth, or a human pygmy.

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Link? I've never heard of Science Express, is it associated with Science? (the journal)

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vacatetheword wrote:
Link? I've never heard of Science Express, is it associated with Science? (the journal)


http://www.sciencemag.org/sciencexpress/recent.shtml

It's associated with Science. Subscription only, but the article posted here is available on yahoo.

It will be interesting if/when they find new specimens to further build on their findings.


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That's fascinating. I wonder what they survived on?

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That's fascinating. I wonder what they survived on?

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Maestro wrote:
ElPhantasmo wrote:
That's fascinating. I wonder what they survived on?

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What? this is news? I always considered Middle-Earth to be real. In fact I think Tolkien says it in an interview.


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Skywalker wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
Link? I've never heard of Science Express, is it associated with Science? (the journal)


http://www.sciencemag.org/sciencexpress/recent.shtml

It's associated with Science. Subscription only, but the article posted here is available on yahoo.

It will be interesting if/when they find new specimens to further build on their findings.

Thanks.

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godeatgod wrote:
Maestro wrote:
ElPhantasmo wrote:
That's fascinating. I wonder what they survived on?

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What? this is news? I always considered Middle-Earth to be real. In fact I think Tolkien says it in an interview.


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Hobbit? Fucking "Lord of the Ring" fanatics are taking over, now. Interesting article, nonetheless.

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Hobbit? Fucking "Lord of the Ring" fanatics are taking over, now. Interesting article, nonetheless.


How quickly we forget how the halflings saved us from the tyranny of Sauron. :P


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Man, that would rock if I could get some of these and use them as slaves.

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The thing is, this "hobbit" creature, if it is a new species, is certainly not an "evolutionary link". It is an evolutionary dirt road that led to nowhere. Not that I'm implying this about anyone here, but most people don't understand that for every species that has been successful and survived and evolved into something more advanced, there were dozens of similar species that didn't succeed and just branched off into extinction, or that evolved into something a little different and less successful. Human evolution is FAR from linear.

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Was the Hobbit known to sever testicles?

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Was the Hobbit known to sever testicles?

Nah, they just eat and drink and chill out mostly.


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godeatgod wrote:
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Was the Hobbit known to sever testicles?

Nah, they just eat and drink and chill out mostly.


And smoke weed. I saw it in a movie.


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The whole 'hobbit' tag is an example of the media grabbing a scientific story and... for lack of a better word... sensationalising it. Makes me go :?
Still a very interesting find of course, it's just a pity it's been labelled like that I think... I mean, I guess it means more people have found out about this news, but it's ... ah forget about it, it's too early for me to articulate what i'm trying to say properly.

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punkdavid wrote:
The thing is, this "hobbit" creature, if it is a new species, is certainly not an "evolutionary link". It is an evolutionary dirt road that led to nowhere. Not that I'm implying this about anyone here, but most people don't understand that for every species that has been successful and survived and evolved into something more advanced, there were dozens of similar species that didn't succeed and just branched off into extinction, or that evolved into something a little different and less successful. Human evolution is FAR from linear.

Yeah, I remember how there was a big thing about the evolution tree of humans turning into an evolution shrub, of interlinking species, some didn't spout leaves, others did...

What am I talking about again?

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McParadigm wrote:
godeatgod wrote:
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Was the Hobbit known to sever testicles?

Nah, they just eat and drink and chill out mostly.


And smoke weed. I saw it in a movie.

Hahaha yeah, and wasn't there some theory that the drink that the elves in Lothlorien gave the fellowship was a hallucinate or something? :lol:


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