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So apparently the guy now says he has no clue what happened to the pregnancy, but that the ad isn't meant to portray real life.

As such, New Mexico Right to Life pulled their endorsement.

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New Mexico Right To Life said this was the first time it ever agreed to endorse a billboard, and it will be the last.

“We contacted Greg and asked to have our endorsement removed from the billboard,” Betty Eichenseer, New Mexico Right To Life, said.

Eichenseer said one of the reasons the group wanted to pull the endorsement is because Fultz’s girlfriend might not have had an abortion. Fultz admits that he has no idea how his baby was lost but said the message on his billboard stands.

“If it was abortion, then my purpose is to try to prevent this from happening to someone else,” Fultz said.


http://www.koat.com/news/27936242/detai ... z1OdLOQkSi

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A judge found that the billboard was a form of harassment, and ordered it to be removed by next week, ABCnews reported.

But Fultz, who faces jail if he doesn’t comply, told the news outlet he won’t take it down.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billb ... d=13783668

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 Post subject: Re: Abortion...for or against?
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So apparently the guy now says he has no clue what happened to the pregnancy, but that the ad isn't meant to portray real life.

As such, New Mexico Right to Life pulled their endorsement.

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New Mexico Right To Life said this was the first time it ever agreed to endorse a billboard, and it will be the last.

“We contacted Greg and asked to have our endorsement removed from the billboard,” Betty Eichenseer, New Mexico Right To Life, said.

Eichenseer said one of the reasons the group wanted to pull the endorsement is because Fultz’s girlfriend might not have had an abortion. Fultz admits that he has no idea how his baby was lost but said the message on his billboard stands.

“If it was abortion, then my purpose is to try to prevent this from happening to someone else,” Fultz said.


http://www.koat.com/news/27936242/detai ... z1OdLOQkSi

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A judge found that the billboard was a form of harassment, and ordered it to be removed by next week, ABCnews reported.

But Fultz, who faces jail if he doesn’t comply, told the news outlet he won’t take it down.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billb ... d=13783668


IF?! He didn't even KNOW.

So basically, this douche knocked up his girlfriend. She lost the baby. He dumps her, then trashes her on a public billboard. It's emotionally CRUSHING for a woman to have a miscarriage in the best situation. If she could prove miscarriage, I think she has grounds for emotional distress.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
So apparently the guy now says he has no clue what happened to the pregnancy, but that the ad isn't meant to portray real life.

As such, New Mexico Right to Life pulled their endorsement.

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New Mexico Right To Life said this was the first time it ever agreed to endorse a billboard, and it will be the last.

“We contacted Greg and asked to have our endorsement removed from the billboard,” Betty Eichenseer, New Mexico Right To Life, said.

Eichenseer said one of the reasons the group wanted to pull the endorsement is because Fultz’s girlfriend might not have had an abortion. Fultz admits that he has no idea how his baby was lost but said the message on his billboard stands.

“If it was abortion, then my purpose is to try to prevent this from happening to someone else,” Fultz said.


http://www.koat.com/news/27936242/detai ... z1OdLOQkSi

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A judge found that the billboard was a form of harassment, and ordered it to be removed by next week, ABCnews reported.

But Fultz, who faces jail if he doesn’t comply, told the news outlet he won’t take it down.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billb ... d=13783668


IF?! He didn't even KNOW.

So basically, this douche knocked up his girlfriend. She lost the baby. He dumps her, then trashes her on a public billboard. It's emotionally CRUSHING for a woman to have a miscarriage in the best situation. If she could prove miscarriage, I think she has grounds for emotional distress.


Sounds like she wouldn't tell him.


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 Post subject: Re: Abortion...for or against?
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Seems like those two deserve each other.

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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
So apparently the guy now says he has no clue what happened to the pregnancy, but that the ad isn't meant to portray real life.

As such, New Mexico Right to Life pulled their endorsement.

Quote:
New Mexico Right To Life said this was the first time it ever agreed to endorse a billboard, and it will be the last.

“We contacted Greg and asked to have our endorsement removed from the billboard,” Betty Eichenseer, New Mexico Right To Life, said.

Eichenseer said one of the reasons the group wanted to pull the endorsement is because Fultz’s girlfriend might not have had an abortion. Fultz admits that he has no idea how his baby was lost but said the message on his billboard stands.

“If it was abortion, then my purpose is to try to prevent this from happening to someone else,” Fultz said.


http://www.koat.com/news/27936242/detai ... z1OdLOQkSi

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A judge found that the billboard was a form of harassment, and ordered it to be removed by next week, ABCnews reported.

But Fultz, who faces jail if he doesn’t comply, told the news outlet he won’t take it down.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billb ... d=13783668


IF?! He didn't even KNOW.

So basically, this douche knocked up his girlfriend. She lost the baby. He dumps her, then trashes her on a public billboard. It's emotionally CRUSHING for a woman to have a miscarriage in the best situation. If she could prove miscarriage, I think she has grounds for emotional distress.



This is a pretty good time to post some information about someone needing Cialis no? Or perhaps not measuring up?

I think I'd find a planned parenthood group that would put up a billboard with this idiot's picture that says, this is the face of a man who would harass a woman for having a miscarriage. Not that you would, but don't sleep with this guy.

Hell they could just post his picture and the words worthless troll. That would be effective.

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Electromatic wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
So apparently the guy now says he has no clue what happened to the pregnancy, but that the ad isn't meant to portray real life.

As such, New Mexico Right to Life pulled their endorsement.

Quote:
New Mexico Right To Life said this was the first time it ever agreed to endorse a billboard, and it will be the last.

“We contacted Greg and asked to have our endorsement removed from the billboard,” Betty Eichenseer, New Mexico Right To Life, said.

Eichenseer said one of the reasons the group wanted to pull the endorsement is because Fultz’s girlfriend might not have had an abortion. Fultz admits that he has no idea how his baby was lost but said the message on his billboard stands.

“If it was abortion, then my purpose is to try to prevent this from happening to someone else,” Fultz said.


http://www.koat.com/news/27936242/detai ... z1OdLOQkSi

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A judge found that the billboard was a form of harassment, and ordered it to be removed by next week, ABCnews reported.

But Fultz, who faces jail if he doesn’t comply, told the news outlet he won’t take it down.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billb ... d=13783668


IF?! He didn't even KNOW.

So basically, this douche knocked up his girlfriend. She lost the baby. He dumps her, then trashes her on a public billboard. It's emotionally CRUSHING for a woman to have a miscarriage in the best situation. If she could prove miscarriage, I think she has grounds for emotional distress.



This is a pretty good time to post some information about someone needing Cialis no? Or perhaps not measuring up?

I think I'd find a planned parenthood group that would put up a billboard with this idiot's picture that says, this is the face of a man who would harass a woman for having a miscarriage. Not that you would, but don't sleep with this guy.



isn't there a website that uses real names where women post their ex's physical shortcomings?


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Skitch Patterson wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
So apparently the guy now says he has no clue what happened to the pregnancy, but that the ad isn't meant to portray real life.

As such, New Mexico Right to Life pulled their endorsement.

Quote:
New Mexico Right To Life said this was the first time it ever agreed to endorse a billboard, and it will be the last.

“We contacted Greg and asked to have our endorsement removed from the billboard,” Betty Eichenseer, New Mexico Right To Life, said.

Eichenseer said one of the reasons the group wanted to pull the endorsement is because Fultz’s girlfriend might not have had an abortion. Fultz admits that he has no idea how his baby was lost but said the message on his billboard stands.

“If it was abortion, then my purpose is to try to prevent this from happening to someone else,” Fultz said.


http://www.koat.com/news/27936242/detai ... z1OdLOQkSi

Also:

Quote:
A judge found that the billboard was a form of harassment, and ordered it to be removed by next week, ABCnews reported.

But Fultz, who faces jail if he doesn’t comply, told the news outlet he won’t take it down.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billb ... d=13783668


IF?! He didn't even KNOW.

So basically, this douche knocked up his girlfriend. She lost the baby. He dumps her, then trashes her on a public billboard. It's emotionally CRUSHING for a woman to have a miscarriage in the best situation. If she could prove miscarriage, I think she has grounds for emotional distress.



This is a pretty good time to post some information about someone needing Cialis no? Or perhaps not measuring up?

I think I'd find a planned parenthood group that would put up a billboard with this idiot's picture that says, this is the face of a man who would harass a woman for having a miscarriage. Not that you would, but don't sleep with this guy.



isn't there a website that uses real names where women post their ex's physical shortcomings?



I've heard of Don't date him girl.com Never tried it out, I figured my picture would be right next to Elliot Spitzer and Tiger Woods.

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 Post subject: Re: Abortion...for or against?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/ ... NC20110628

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The Ohio House of Representatives on Tuesday voted to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detectable, which can be as early as six weeks.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/us-abortion-ohio-heartbeat-idUSTRE75R7NC20110628

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The Ohio House of Representatives on Tuesday voted to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detectable, which can be as early as six weeks.

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After Gonzales v. Carhart I'm surprised that there haven't been more anti-abortion laws to try and test how far SCOTUS will let them go.


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Green Habit wrote:
After Gonzales v. Carhart I'm surprised that there haven't been more anti-abortion laws to try and test how far SCOTUS will let them go.


I guarantee it's not that far.


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After Gonzales v. Carhart I'm surprised that there haven't been more anti-abortion laws to try and test how far SCOTUS will let them go.
I guarantee it's not that far.
Yep. People who are passionate about this issue get real passionate.


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After Gonzales v. Carhart I'm surprised that there haven't been more anti-abortion laws to try and test how far SCOTUS will let them go.

They can do it state by state without being challenged, no need for SCOTUS intervention, apparently.


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MIchigan just voted to limit welfare to 48 months.


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MIchigan just voted to limit welfare to 48 months.


Makes sense. By 4 years old you should be able to work.

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MIchigan just voted to limit welfare to 48 months.


Makes sense. By 4 years old you should be able to work.

well its per kid, so at 4 years they'll be in that public daycare place, what's it called, school?

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MIchigan just voted to limit welfare to 48 months.


Makes sense. By 4 years old you should be able to work.

well its per kid, so at 4 years they'll be in that public daycare place, what's it called, school?


no, no. i mean the 4 year old should get a job.

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given2trade wrote:
EllisEamos wrote:
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MIchigan just voted to limit welfare to 48 months.


Makes sense. By 4 years old you should be able to work.

well its per kid, so at 4 years they'll be in that public daycare place, what's it called, school?


no, no. i mean the 4 year old should get a job.

we're not disagreeing here, only that they need to go to public daycare to learn to sew by age 7.

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Wisconsin held a special election on Tuesday, the first round of voting in the recall elections spurred by this spring's union battle in the state. But some voters in Wisconsin received an automated "robocall" from Wisconsin Right to Life on Monday—the day before the election—informing them that they would be receiving an absentee ballot application for the upcoming recall elections in the "next few days" and urging them to use that form to vote by mail.

A source working on the special election provided Mother Jones with a recording of the voicemail, which the source believes was designed to confuse voters and keep them from the polls on Tuesday. Here's the transcript of the message:

Hello, this is Barbara Lyons from Wisconsin Right to Life. I'm calling today to let you know that you will be receiving an absentee ballot application for the upcoming recall elections in the mail in the next few days. These recall elections are very important and voting absentee will ensure that your vote is counted and that we can maintain a pro-family, pro-life state senate. We hope that we can count on you to complete that application and send it back to us within 7 days. Thank you for your support. Wisconsin Right to Life can be reached by calling (877) 855-5007.

Lawrence Norden, the deputy director of the democracy program at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, stopped short of deeming the robocall an attempt at voter suppression. But it's clear the call's script had the potential to confuse and mislead voters, Norden said. "To me it reads confusing enough that it could lead people to believe that they didn't have to vote on Tuesday and that they could be getting something in the mail to vote absentee," he argued. "It's troubling that a confusing message like this would go out the day before an election."

Lyons, the executive director of Wisconsin Right to Life, insisted in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that it was "absurd" to claim that the calls were intended to deter voters from going to the polls. "As best as we know," Lyons added, the calls targeted her group's supporters. (If so, Wisconsin Right to Life's phone-banking list is far from perfect—the source who provided the recording to Mother Jones does not support the group.) On Wednesday, Lyons also penned a blog post about the robocall, calling the allegations of voter suppression "false and vicious."

Jen Bluestein, the communications director for the national pro-choice electoral organization EMILY's List, argued the calls could be part of a "new and desperate tactic" to keep advocates of reproductive rights from heading to the polls. Bluestein pointed to ads the National Republican Trust political action committee ran in California last week criticizing Democrat Janice Hahn (who won on Tuesday) as "divisive" for citing the Republican candidate's anti-abortion record. The executive director of the National Republican Trust PAC told Politico that the point of the ad was to get pro-choice voters to "stay home."

"They are so desperate to deny women care wherever they can, they're targeting women and lying to them to prevent them from voting, because they know their radical candidates can't win if Democratic women come to the polls," Bluestein said.

Whatever the real intention of the Wisconsin ads, they should probably raise some red flags, says NYU's Norden. "Certainly if it wasn't intended as a voter suppression method, then Wisconsin Right to Life should review both its methods and is practices and refrain from doing something like this in the future," he said.

UPDATE: Tova Wang, a senior democracy fellow with the group Demos, also weighed in via email, declaring the robocalls "extraordinarily fishy," at best. "Robocalls like this have become a main feature of the vote suppression industry for the last couple of election cycles, which makes me more suspicious," said Wang. "A political consulting firm in Maryland is being sued by the attorney general for doing something very similar in last year's gubernatorial election. I hope the Wisconsin authorities investigate this."

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I'll just add that Wisconsin Right to Life may have been the one to jumpstart the current jurisprudence on campaign finance regulation.


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