(Lansing, Michigan) Doctors or other health care providers could not be disciplined or sued if they refuse to treat gay patients under legislation passed Wednesday by the Michigan House. The bill allows health care workers to refuse service to anyone on moral, ethical or religious grounds.
The Republican dominated House passed the measure as dozens of Catholics looked on from the gallery. The Michigan Catholic Conference, which pushed for the bills, hosted a legislative day for Catholics on Wednesday at the state Capitol.
The bills now go the Senate, which also is controlled by Republicans.
The Conscientious Objector Policy Act would allow health care providers to assert their objection within 24 hours of when they receive notice of a patient or procedure with which they don't agree. However, it would prohibit emergency treatment to be refused.
Three other three bills that could affect LGBT health care were also passed by the House Wednesday which would exempt a health insurer or health facility from providing or covering a health care procedure that violated ethical, moral or religious principles reflected in their bylaws or mission statement.
Opponents of the bills said they're worried they would allow providers to refuse service for any reason. For example, they said an emergency medical technicians could refuse to answer a call from the residence of gay couple because they don't approve of homosexuality.
Rep. Chris Kolb (D-Ann Arbor) the first openly gay legislator in Michigan, pointed out that while the legislation prohibits racial discrimination by health care providers, it doesn't ban discrimination based on a person's sexual orientation.
"Are you telling me that a health care provider can deny me medical treatment because of my sexual orientation? I hope not," he said.
"I think it's a terrible slippery slope upon which we embark," said Rep. Jack Minore (D-Flint) before voting against the bill.
Paul A. Long, vice president for public policy for the Michigan Catholic Conference, said the bills promote the constitutional right to religious freedom.
"Individual and institutional health care providers can and should maintain their mission and their services without compromising faith-based teaching," he said in a written statement.
This is in the Senate in Michigan. If you're not willing to provide healthcare for ANYONE, you should not be allowed to be a doctor. You're not a fucking preacher. You save lives. All lives. Do you go to hell b/c you operated on a gay guy, or do you go to hell b/c you watched a poor fucker die and refused to help. If it's the first one, your God is WRONG!
If I'm against drug usage, can I walk away from an overdose. The gynocologist doesn't think kids should have sex so she doesn't give prenatal care to her teenage mother?
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Post subject: Re: Michigan says, "We don't care if homos die!"
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:13 pm
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just_b wrote:
This is in the Senate in Michigan. If you're not willing to provide healthcare for ANYONE, you should not be allowed to be a doctor. You're not a fucking preacher. You save lives. All lives. Do you go to hell b/c you operated on a gay guy, or do you go to hell b/c you watched a poor fucker die and refused to help. If it's the first one, your God is WRONG!
If I'm against drug usage, can I walk away from an overdose. The gynocologist doesn't think kids should have sex so she doesn't give prenatal care to her teenage mother?
First of all, as a former resident of Michigan, I find the title to your thread to be highly offensive. Don't be an ass to sensationalize your feelings. You're not a reporter for the New York Post.
Second of all, if you're a doctor and are pro-life, should you be required to abort a child? Because that's not what the law says.
Post subject: Re: Michigan says, "We don't care if homos die!"
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:24 pm
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
First of all, as a former resident of Michigan, I find the title to your thread to be highly offensive. Don't be an ass to sensationalize your feelings. You're not a reporter for the New York Post.
Second of all, if you're a doctor and are pro-life, should you be required to abort a child? Because that's not what the law says.
I was quite proud of my title. Sorry if it's offensive.
I think a doctor should not use their position to impress morals on their patients. If there are other doctors immediately available to perform an abortion, that's great. But I don't think women in rural communities should be denied an abortion, b/c all of the doctors in a 100 mile radius are pro-life.
So a law that puts a doctor's morals ahead of a patient's medical care ... yeah, I think that's bullshit.
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Post subject: Re: Michigan says, "We don't care if homos die!"
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:40 pm
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just_b wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
First of all, as a former resident of Michigan, I find the title to your thread to be highly offensive. Don't be an ass to sensationalize your feelings. You're not a reporter for the New York Post.
Second of all, if you're a doctor and are pro-life, should you be required to abort a child? Because that's not what the law says.
I was quite proud of my title. Sorry if it's offensive.
I think a doctor should not use their position to impress morals on their patients. If there are other doctors immediately available to perform an abortion, that's great. But I don't think women in rural communities should be denied an abortion, b/c all of the doctors in a 100 mile radius are pro-life.
So a law that puts a doctor's morals ahead of a patient's medical care ... yeah, I think that's bullshit.
Apology accepted.
Let's introduce pharmacists to the debate. There's an interesting dialogue going on within the FDA about making the morning after pill over-the-counter. There's a law here in Illinois that states a pharmacist can refuse to fill a prescription for the pill based on moral and religious beliefs. Don't you think that's just as appalling? In a sense, I think it's worse based on the timing limitations for the effectiveness of the morning after pill and based on the fact a woman has no legitimate alternative if a pharmacist refuses.
My point is, this is by no means an exception to any general rule. States have these types of laws on the books and the AMA, in many instances, has been silent.
Post subject: Re: Michigan says, "We don't care if homos die!"
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:44 pm
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Yeah, the pharmacist thing is WAY worse. It's harder to defend an abortion, b/c you're telling a doctor to pull a baby out of a women. Pharmacists ... just give them the fucking pills you fuckers!
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To take another angle...
Do these doctors also refuse to treat those that aren't Christians? Because any non-Christian is in clear defiance of the Ten Commandments, wouldn't this offend them as well? Or are Muslims better than faggots? Where's the line?
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the hypocratic oath or however you spell it does not say anywhere in it that you can choose to deny someone treatment based on anything. this is different than the abortion issue since doctors either provide that service or they don't.
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The Hippocratic Oath wrote:
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
If taking that oath makes it impossible for you to be a good Christian, don't take it and find another career.
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PJDoll wrote:
How does this differ from not treating someone because they don't have the means to pay? Doctors are allowed to do that, right?
Fuckers.
Not in every state.
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Aren't there any doctors who are morally opposed to treating Jerry Falwell?
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