Post subject: new bill in Florida aims to stop "leftist totalitariani
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:35 pm
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Capitol bill aims to control ‘leftist’ profs
THE LAW COULD LET STUDENTS SUE FOR UNTOLERATED BELIEFS.
By JAMES VANLANDINGHAM
Alligator Staff Writer
TALLAHASSEE — Republicans on the House Choice and Innovation Committee voted along party lines Tuesday to pass a bill that aims to stamp out “leftist totalitarianism” by “dictator professors” in the classrooms of Florida’s universities.
The Academic Freedom Bill of Rights, sponsored by Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, passed 8-to-2 despite strenuous objections from the only two Democrats on the committee.
The bill has two more committees to pass before it can be considered by the full House.
While promoting the bill Tuesday, Baxley said a university education should be more than “one biased view by the professor, who as a dictator controls the classroom,” as part of “a misuse of their platform to indoctrinate the next generation with their own views.”
The bill sets a statewide standard that students cannot be punished for professing beliefs with which their professors disagree. Professors would also be advised to teach alternative “serious academic theories” that may disagree with their personal views.
According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities.
Students who believe their professor is singling them out for “public ridicule” – for instance, when professors use the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories in class – would also be given the right to sue.
“Some professors say, ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’” Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.
Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, warned of lawsuits from students enrolled in Holocaust history courses who believe the Holocaust never happened.
Similar suits could be filed by students who don’t believe astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber added.
“This is a horrible step,” he said. “Universities will have to hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms. Professors might have to pay court costs — even if they win — from their own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation.”
The staff analysis also warned the bill may shift responsibility for determining whether a student’s freedom has been infringed from the faculty to the courts.
But Baxley brushed off Gelber’s concerns. “Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,” he said. “Being a businessman, I found out you can be sued for anything. Besides, if students are being persecuted and ridiculed for their beliefs, I think they should be given standing to sue.”
During the committee hearing, Baxley cast opposition to his bill as “leftists” struggling against “mainstream society.”
“The critics ridicule me for daring to stand up for students and faculty,” he said, adding that he was called a McCarthyist.
Baxley later said he had a list of students who were discriminated against by professors, but refused to reveal names because he felt they would be persecuted.
Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood, argued universities and the state Board of Governors already have policies in place to protect academic freedom. Moreover, a state law outlining how professors are supposed to teach would encroach on the board’s authority to manage state schools.
“The big hand of state government is going into the universities telling them how to teach,” she said. “This bill is the antithesis of academic freedom.”
But Baxley compared the state’s universities to children, saying the legislature should not give them money without providing “guidance” to their behavior.
“Professors are accountable for what they say or do,” he said. “They’re accountable to the rest of us in society … All of a sudden the faculty think they can do what they want and shut us out. Why is it so unheard of to say the professor shouldn’t be a dictator and control that room as their totalitarian niche?”
In an interview before the meeting, Baxley said “arrogant, elitist academics are swarming” to oppose the bill, and media reports misrepresented his intentions.
“I expect to be out there on my own pretty far,” he said. “I don’t expect to be part of a team.”
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
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Bizarro wrote:
Me, Bizarro, mash smarty-pants professor, who make Me, Bizarro, feel dumb!
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Post subject: Re: new bill in Florida aims to stop "leftist totalitar
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:57 pm
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“Some professors say, ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’” Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.
Evolution is a fact. Intelligent Design is NOT a "serious academic theory", and if you don't like it, there's the door. Idiot.
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Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, warned of lawsuits from students enrolled in Holocaust history courses who believe the Holocaust never happened.
Similar suits could be filed by students who don’t believe astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber added.
“This is a horrible step,” he said. “Universities will have to hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms. Professors might have to pay court costs — even if they win — from their own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation.”
Basically, this is authorizing frivolous lawsuits galore. I thought Republicans were against this sort of thing. Oh yeah, they're only against lawsuits when big corporations are being sued. Fuckers.
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But Baxley brushed off Gelber’s concerns. “Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,” he said. “Being a businessman, I found out you can be sued for anything. Besides, if students are being persecuted and ridiculed for their beliefs, I think they should be given standing to sue.”
I see. So this is vengence for all of the lawsuits you were unfairly subjected to? Asshole.
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“The critics ridicule me for daring to stand up for students and faculty,” he said, adding that he was called a McCarthyist.
Baxley later said he had a list of students who were discriminated against by professors, but refused to reveal names because he felt they would be persecuted.
I certainly hope all of you can appreciate the irony in this. Ever see The Manchurian Candidate?
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But Baxley compared the state’s universities to children, saying the legislature should not give them money without providing “guidance” to their behavior.
“Professors are accountable for what they say or do,” he said. “They’re accountable to the rest of us in society … All of a sudden the faculty think they can do what they want and shut us out. Why is it so unheard of to say the professor shouldn’t be a dictator and control that room as their totalitarian niche?”
Who's the dictator again?
While I believe that there may actually be some discrimination within departments against professors with opposing viewpoints, this is not something that is purely left vs. right. It's traditional vs. radical as well, and it is what keeps wild untested ideas out of the college classroom. There are several reasons why those with the higest levels of education tend to be on the political left, but being able to obtain that education at the whim of a professor with similar politics is not one of them.
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I'm left wing but I've gotta say I agree with it, after all if they passed it to suit their own agenda, it may come back to haunt them when being right wing is more fashionable, if it is which I hope it won't be...
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Hallucination wrote:
I'm left wing but I've gotta say I agree with it, after all if they passed it to suit their own agenda, it may come back to haunt them when being right wing is more fashionable, if it is which I hope it won't be...
I'm enrolling at the U of F, and I'm going out of my way to end up in right wing classes. What doyou think? Business school? Theological studies?
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Hallucination wrote:
I'm left wing but I've gotta say I agree with it, after all if they passed it to suit their own agenda, it may come back to haunt them when being right wing is more fashionable, if it is which I hope it won't be...
It will never be fashionable. Academia is always at the leading edge of thought, and conservatism is by definition not. This is anti-intellectual legislation pure and simple.
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punkdavid wrote:
towelie wrote:
Could somebody please just nuke Florida off the face of the Earth? Please?
If we keep up with global warming and melt the ice caps, all of Florida will be washed away.
Wouldn't global warming be one of the theories affected by this bill?
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How could you not see this coming as a response to "taking god out of the classroom". Not sure where I stand on this issue, but you can be sure this will result in fingerpointing and baseless allegations from both sides.
P.S. I still love Florida.
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sleightofhandpj wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
towelie wrote:
Could somebody please just nuke Florida off the face of the Earth? Please?
If we keep up with global warming and melt the ice caps, all of Florida will be washed away.
Sweet. My house in the mountains will be near the ocean now. And I guess Just-B will have to leave Chapel Hill.
Fuck that, I'm on a hill. Besides, Dook will be wiped out before the water gets to me.
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