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THE CASE AGAINST BUSH

Wed Oct 20, 6:42 PM ET

By Ted Rall

Ten Reasons America Needs a Change

PORTLAND--George W. Bush has been a busy boy these past four years. Because his Administration's policies are so radical and his attempts to change our country so far-reaching, it is sometimes difficult to remember them all. Here's a summary of why Bush and his gang of bloodthirsty corporate goons must go; voters may take them along to the polls to help them cast their ballots.

1. He stole the 2000 election. Voting to "reelect" an illegitimate commander-in-chief who seized power by judicial coup d'état is a tacit endorsement of how he got into the White House in the first place. How the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruled in Bush v. Gore is irrelevant. As a federal court, the five runaway Supreme Court justices had no right to agree to hear the case. Under our system of government, elections--and election disputes--fall under state jurisdiction. Their decision to take the case, the way they fixed the outcome in Bush's favor, and Bush's willingness to assume the presidency extraconstitutionally are outrages that no patriotic American, even if they agree with his policies, can forgive.

2. He politicized 9/11. During the early days after the attacks on New York and Washington, a stunned nation came together to mourn, and to assess the motivations of the 19 men who despised us so much they were willing to commit suicide as mass murderers to drive home the point. Rather than channel our newfound solidarity into positive initiatives, however, Bush used 9/11 to push for the USA Patriot Act, fast-track signing authority on free trade, tax cuts for the wealthy, lax regulations for polluters and a multitude of items from the partisan Republican Party wish list. He portrayed Democrats and others who disagreed with him as un-American traitors.

3. He let the terrorists get away while giving them a payraise. The 9/11 hijackers were Egyptians and Saudis recruited by an Egyptian group, Islamic Jihad, with funding from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, some of whom received training at camps which were mostly in Pakistan, all of which were funded by Pakistani secret intelligence. Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), who may have funded all or part of the operation via Al Qaeda, was in Pakistan on 9/11. So who does Bush go after? Afghanistan (news - web sites), at best a back lot of Pakistani-backed Islamists and Iraq (news - web sites)--which had nothing to do with 9/11. And what does he do about our real enemies in Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia? He sells them more weapons. Egypt becomes the second largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid after Israel, collecting over $2 billion annually. Pakistan, ruled by a pro-Taliban general who jailed and tortured his democratically elected predecessor, is encouraged to develop its nascent nuclear capabilities. The 3,000 victims of 9/11 remain unavenged--and the stage is set for future attacks.

4. He murdered nearly 100,000 people. The war in Afghanistan killed at least 10,000 civilians and 20,000 Afghan soldiers (of which 10,000 were POWs allegedly massacred by Northern Alliance soldiers as U.S. Special Forces troops supervised the slaughter.) As of three weeks after the fall of Baghdad, General Tommy Franks estimated Iraqi dead at 30,000 civilians and 30,000 Iraqi soldiers, men who were fighting to defend their country from a hostile invasion army. At least 10,000 more civilians and 5,000 Iraqi resistance soldiers have died since then. Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq have anything to do with the war on terrorism, which has yet to start. Both wars were waged to expand American military and economic hegemony and Dick Cheney (news - web sites)'s policy of "total energy dominance" over oil and natural gas resources. The world would be safer if Charles Manson, a mere amateur killer by comparison, were released and Bush was sitting in prison.

5. He bankrupted the treasury. When Bush took the oath of office in January 2001, the U.S. Congressional Budget Office (news - web sites) projected a surplus of $5 trillion over the next ten years. Now, after two expensive wars of aggression and two series of extravagant tax cuts for the ultrarich--including the elimination of inheritance taxes on multimillionaires' estates--the federal budget is facing a $5 trillion shortfall. That's a $10 trillion net deficit--ten times more than the Reagan deficit that took Clinton his entire tenure to pay off--for giveaways to Bush-connected defense contractors like Halliburton and a fraction of one percent of wealthy individuals. Most Americans will get nothing out of this but the bill which, if history serves a guide, won't be repaid until our children are dead. Goodbye national healthcare, sayonara help with college tuition. Bush has stolen our future.

6. He threw thousands of innocent people into concentration camps. Drawing from another of fascism's greatest hits, Bush used his fictional war on terrorism as a lame pretext to throw thousands of Muslims and Arabs into a new gulag archipelago spanning the globe from secret CIA (news - web sites)-run prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq--including the infamous Abu Ghraib--to INS detention centers in Brooklyn to the naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Detainees caught in battle were denied their Geneva Convention rights as POWs, tortured and even murdered. Illegal immigrants who should have been deported were jailed indefinitely without access to attorneys, or visits from family. In the ultimate Orwellian twist, they were turned into "unpersons"; even their names were withheld from the media. Any president who endorses such atrocities, as Bush has repeatedly done in speeches, is against everything that America purports to stands for. Bush has even signed a secret directive authorizing himself with the right to assassinate anyone, anywhere--including American citizens--as "enemy combatants."

7. We are more feared than Al Qaeda. Bush's radical new policy of "preemption"--a self-ascribed right to invade other countries based on a presumed hunch--has terrorized then international community. Even though they have never threatened us, nations like Iran and Syria wonder whether or not Bush will invade them next--and are racing to develop nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the U.S. threat. Our traditional allies, who still want to engage themselves with the rest of the world, have been forced to distance themselves from our bull-in-a-china-shop foreign policy. We, not Islamist terrorists, are the world's most feared power. We are feared, which is why we are hated. Because we are hated, we are in greater danger.

8. Bush has done nothing to improve the economy. At one of the presidential debates, Bush was asked what he would tell someone who had lost their job to outsourcing overseas. He answered that the unemployed had received their $300 tax cuts, and that within five years his education policies would start to help children. The truth is, Bush did nothing to jumpstart the weak post-dot-com economy he inherited in 2000. Like most Republicans, he favors high unemployment as a way to keep labor week and salaries cheap. A Bush victory would ensure more of the same--fewer jobs, lower salaries, reduced unemployment benefits. A president can do a lot to stimulate the economy: jobs programs funded by the government, tax cuts for the working class. But Bush won't act because it would run counter to his ideological beliefs.

9. Bush will appoint the next Supreme Court justice. Whether they're values issues like abortion or gay marriage, or the next election dispute, the Supreme Court is balanced on the razor's edge between reason and right-wing fascism. Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites) and William Rehnquist (news - web sites), who originally intended to step down during the last four years but evidently decided not to do so because of Bush's lunacy, are over 80 years old. They may not last another four years. We can't let Bush have the chance to appoint their successors.

10. We deserve a president who can speak English and doesn't look like a chimpanzee. John Kerry (news - web sites) is a far from ideal prospect but he's a huge leap forward from an evolutionary standpoint.

(Ted Rall is the author of two new books, "Wake Up, You're Liberal!: How We Can Take America Back From the Right" and "Generalissimo El Busho: Essays and Cartoons on the Bush Years." Ordering information is available at amazon.com.)

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I'll preface by saying I am not a Bush supporter, however,

this does nothing help the democrat's cause. This is nothing but a piece of attack literature/propaganda....as bad as something the Bush campaign would create.

There isn't so much "truth" in it as assumptions and personal attacks.

The facts should, and hopefully will, be enough to defeat the president.

This type of stuff can only hinder that cause.

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What the hell are you talking about? I see nothing BUT truth in this article.

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What the hell are you talking about? I see nothing BUT truth in this article.


The problem I have with it is the wording.

Bush didn't "murder" anyone. He, along with congress, authorizes war.

There may be some truth to the article, but the wording does nothing to help convey that truth to would-be voters, and especially those leaning to the right.

All this does is enflame Bush supporters and turn off undecided voters.

What I am saying is that the writer should have been more tactful...truth or no.

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I agree with tsunami. There are hundreds of reasons why I don't think Bush should be re-elected, but these are really poor. If this isn't propaganda, I don't know what is. There are some truths in there but most of it does a disservice to the cause.

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tsunami wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? I see nothing BUT truth in this article.


The problem I have with it is the wording.

Bush didn't "murder" anyone. He, along with congress, authorizes war.

There may be some truth to the article, but the wording does nothing to help convey that truth to would-be voters, and especially those leaning to the right.

All this does is enflame Bush supporters and turn off undecided voters.

What I am saying is that the writer should have been more tactful...truth or no.


When will people realize that wording is all about context. If Hitler took over and half the world was speaking German and we were living in the 5th Reich...he wouldn't be considered a murder of 6 million Jews, rather he would have "authorized" it for the bettering of German culture and race. It only took 225 years for the leaders of this country to convince us that we are the greatest society that has ever lived. Why, because we have TVs and cell phones and can demostrate with out getting arrested (90% of the time)? Because we have freedom of the press? Can I ask, are we truly free here?

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Of course you can speak freely here, and of course this type of article can be written/published.

However, I liken this to the discussion we all had about PETA. The cause may be noble, but there is a tactful and intelligent way to go about spreading the cause and the information.

I'm liberal and I often criticize conservatives for using propaganda like this. I would be a complete hypocrite if I failed to condemn similar methods from the left.

There are better ways to say things that reach more people. This will only appeal to the far left, and does nothing to sway voters who are moderate or undecided (which is what really matters).

Again, I support the cause but I do not support this writer's methods.

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tsunami wrote:
Of course you can speak freely here, and of course this type of article can be written/published.

However, I liken this to the discussion we all had about PETA. The cause may be noble, but there is a tactful and intelligent way to go about spreading the cause and the information.

I'm liberal and I often criticize conservatives for using propaganda like this. I would be a complete hypocrite if I failed to condemn similar methods from the left.

There are better ways to say things that reach more people. This will only appeal to the far left, and does nothing to sway voters who are moderate or undecided (which is what really matters).

Again, I support the cause but I do not support this writer's methods.


You didn't answer my last post.

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glorified_version wrote:
tsunami wrote:
Of course you can speak freely here, and of course this type of article can be written/published.

However, I liken this to the discussion we all had about PETA. The cause may be noble, but there is a tactful and intelligent way to go about spreading the cause and the information.

I'm liberal and I often criticize conservatives for using propaganda like this. I would be a complete hypocrite if I failed to condemn similar methods from the left.

There are better ways to say things that reach more people. This will only appeal to the far left, and does nothing to sway voters who are moderate or undecided (which is what really matters).

Again, I support the cause but I do not support this writer's methods.


You didn't answer my last post.


:?:

What do you want to know?

About the writer's context concerning Bush murdering?

The soldier pulls the trigger. The officer gives the order. The secretary of defense assigns the officer. The president assigns the secretary. The people elect the president.

So using the writer's logic, would not the entire population of the US be at fault for "murder"?

That is why I have a problem with this writer's method. He is assigning blame in a questionable manner using poor logic.

Bush going to war in Iraq is a reason not to vote for him if you disagree with the war.

But as far as Bush "murdering" anyone, that is a poor and illogical statement.

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bush actually stole the election, or did he benefit from the way the system is set up to work?


hey everyone, look i just stole panama

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I see what you are saying from your PMs, but how will human civilization view our society 2000 years from now (if we are still here)? That western civilization took what it wanted when it wanted, for our own personal gain? Of course the whole population is to blame for this, but it seems to me that conservatives really don't give two shits about anything but keep themselves safe and rich. You have to care what happens to other people, or else we are all fucked.

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tsunami wrote:
Of course you can speak freely here, and of course this type of article can be written/published.

However, I liken this to the discussion we all had about PETA. The cause may be noble, but there is a tactful and intelligent way to go about spreading the cause and the information.

I'm liberal and I often criticize conservatives for using propaganda like this. I would be a complete hypocrite if I failed to condemn similar methods from the left.

There are better ways to say things that reach more people. This will only appeal to the far left, and does nothing to sway voters who are moderate or undecided (which is what really matters).

Again, I support the cause but I do not support this writer's methods.


And you know what?

I'm going to end my own hypocritical ways and stop posting overtly attacking pics in the random thread.

I'll continue with pics about issues, war, and peace, but I think I'm right in this last post.....it is time to put the anti-Bush propaganda to rest and focus on the issues at hand.

I don't think I'll get anywhere with the anti-Bush pics, so much as I would with the issues pics.

I'll heed my own advice!

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hey everyone, look i just stole panama


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i entirely agree with tsunami. I look at the article like i think of michael moore... only worse. Great cause/beliefs, poor tactics.

I read the first chapter of Stupid White Men and couldn't continue. The way Moore just attacked the bush administration turned me off entirely! I hate the bush administration, but there are better ways of going about expressing my hatred.

go tsunami!

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bisepost wrote:
i entirely agree with tsunami. I look at the article like i think of michael moore... only worse. Great cause/beliefs, poor tactics.

I read the first chapter of Stupid White Men and couldn't continue. The way Moore just attacked the bush administration turned me off entirely! I hate the bush administration, but there are better ways of going about expressing my hatred.

go tsunami!


You have a point but people are pissed. If we don't change our policy now, we pay further down the line. Mark my words, we're all fucked in the future if we allow these types of beliefs prevail.

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glorified_version wrote:
bisepost wrote:
i entirely agree with tsunami. I look at the article like i think of michael moore... only worse. Great cause/beliefs, poor tactics.

I read the first chapter of Stupid White Men and couldn't continue. The way Moore just attacked the bush administration turned me off entirely! I hate the bush administration, but there are better ways of going about expressing my hatred.

go tsunami!


You have a point but people are pissed. If we don't change our policy now, we pay further down the line. Mark my words, we're all fucked in the future if we allow these types of beliefs prevail.
what beliefs? mine? bush's? moore's?

i think society and the world will pay if bush gets re-elected. i also think society would be worse if Moore was president. Same with me.


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thanks tsunami and bisepost... for realizing that this type of propaganda only hurts the liberal cause. It comes off as one sided, over dramatic, misleading and biased...

from the Phrase "stole" the election.. to the end.


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thanks tsunami and bisepost... for realizing that this type of propaganda only hurts the liberal cause. It comes off as one sided, over dramatic, misleading and biased...

from the Phrase "stole" the election.. to the end.


Thanks.

And lets all remember that this was a critique of the writer, and not glorified version (who is a great guy and is the messenger in this case)

Thanks for not "killing the messenger"!

and keep up the good debate!

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glorified_version wrote:
tsunami wrote:
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What the hell are you talking about? I see nothing BUT truth in this article.


The problem I have with it is the wording.

Bush didn't "murder" anyone. He, along with congress, authorizes war.

There may be some truth to the article, but the wording does nothing to help convey that truth to would-be voters, and especially those leaning to the right.

All this does is enflame Bush supporters and turn off undecided voters.

What I am saying is that the writer should have been more tactful...truth or no.


When will people realize that wording is all about context. If Hitler took over and half the world was speaking German and we were living in the 5th Reich...he wouldn't be considered a murder of 6 million Jews, rather he would have "authorized" it for the bettering of German culture and race. It only took 225 years for the leaders of this country to convince us that we are the greatest society that has ever lived. Why, because we have TVs and cell phones and can demostrate with out getting arrested (90% of the time)? Because we have freedom of the press? Can I ask, are we truly free here?


When you show me where Bush authorized the murder of these people (not an authorization of war, but a plan for extermination) I'll listen to this argument. Until then, this post is pretty funny.

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