Post subject: Breaking into a Church = Extra Illegal
Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:57 pm
too drunk to moderate properly
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North Carolina Senate just passed a bill to stiffen the penalty for breaking into a church. What about schools? Non-profits? Charities? My house? I mean, churches are a good thing, but they aren't the only beneficial organizations in North Carolina that have computers, TVs, petty cash, etc. Why should you get in more trouble for breaking into a church than anywhere else?
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N.C. Senate Passes Bill To Stiffen Punishment For Church Burglars
POSTED: 6:46 am EDT May 3, 2005 UPDATED: 8:29 am EDT May 3, 2005
RALEIGH, N.C. -- After dozens of church break-ins over the past year, state lawmakers say it is time to get tough. On Monday, state senators voted to stiffen the punishment for burglars who target churches.
After dozens of church break-ins over the past year, state lawmakers say it is time to crack down on thieves.
Last year in Sampson County, thieves broke into a number of churches, stealing electronic equipment such as TVs and VCRs. Right now, it is possible for someone caught stealing from a church to be sentenced with just community service.
Authorities said that since they are considered places of worship, the offenses should be considered more serious. Their message caught the eyes of state lawmakers.
"[The new bill] sends a message to the criminal element that if you break into a place of worship, you're going to do jail time," said Sen. Fred Smith, R-Johnston.
The bill passed unanimously in the Senate. It now goes to the House, where a similar bill is already circulating.
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AN ACT to create the criminal offense of breaking or entering a building that is a place of RELIGIOUS worship.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:
SECTION 1. Article 14 of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes is amended by adding a new section to read:
"§ 14‑54.1. Breaking or entering a building that is a place of religious worship.
(a) Any person who wrongfully breaks or enters any building that is a place of religious worship with intent to commit any felony or larceny therein is guilty of a Class G felony, except as provided by subsection (b) of this section.
(b) A person is guilty of a Class F felony if:
(1) The person breaks or enters two or more buildings that are places of religious worship; or
(2) The person is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of subsection (a) of this section.
(c) As used in this section, a "building that is a place of religious worship" shall be construed to include any church, chapel, meetinghouse, synagogue, temple, or mosque, or other building that is regularly used, and clearly identifiable, as a place for religious worship."
SECTION 2. This act becomes effective December 1, 2005, and applies to offenses committed on or after that date.
JamElizabeth, if a church is somehow required to leave their doors unlocked in order to complete their "churchly" business, I might reconsider my opposition to this bill.
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(c) As used in this section, a "building that is a place of religious worship" shall be construed to include any church, chapel, meetinghouse, synagogue, temple, or mosque, or other building that is regularly used, and clearly identifiable, as a place for religious worship."
You should put up a sign on your house that says "Church of just_b", and say that you regularly use it to worship.
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Green Habit wrote:
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(c) As used in this section, a "building that is a place of religious worship" shall be construed to include any church, chapel, meetinghouse, synagogue, temple, or mosque, or other building that is regularly used, and clearly identifiable, as a place for religious worship."
You should put up a sign on your house that says "Church of just_b", and say that you regularly use it to worship.
My in-laws have a name for their church ... it's something like the Church of My Warm Sheets or something like that to signify that they sleep in each Sunday. Hey, we each worship God in our own way. When I'm under my duvet on the featherbed with my comfy pillows and soft sheets ... that's pretty damn close to heaven.
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Post subject: Re: Breaking into a Church = Extra Illegal
Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 3:35 pm
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:43 pm Posts: 2398
quote wrote:
Right now, it is possible for someone caught stealing from a church to be sentenced with just community service.
Right now are there stiffer penalties for breaking into houses as opposed to Churches? If so and they are only trying to make the penalties the same I don't see a problem.
Post subject: Re: Breaking into a Church = Extra Illegal
Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 3:48 pm
too drunk to moderate properly
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
pjam81373 wrote:
quote wrote:
Right now, it is possible for someone caught stealing from a church to be sentenced with just community service.
Right now are there stiffer penalties for breaking into houses as opposed to Churches? If so and they are only trying to make the penalties the same I don't see a problem.
I don't know what the penalties are for breaking into houses. If you are correct and, for some reason, the law was easier on people breaking into churches as opposed to other public buildings, I would also drop my opposition to the bill.
But if that were the case, why wouldn't they write a law that strikes down the "church exemption" instead of writing new penalties for breaking into churches?
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just_b i was watching wral last night and this ENRAGED ME, stupid self reightous christian sons of bitches....cant believe this shit, makes me want to take a can of paint to every church in this fucking state
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BarrelsFull wrote:
just_b i was watching wral last night and this ENRAGED ME, stupid self reightous christian sons of bitches....cant believe this shit, makes me want to take a can of paint to every church in this fucking state
I'd file this under "annoyed." ENRAGED might be a little stong.
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Before you guys get your panties in too big of a twist, the article does say that there have been a number of church break-ins over the past year. And I must ask, if you're not planning on breaking into any churches, what's the big deal? Everybody is so quick nowadays to get riled up just because they see the word "church" or "Christian." I've been getting that way myself lately, but I woke up this morning feeling like it's time to change.
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genxgirl wrote:
extra illegal = a little bit pregnant
both are equally redundant.
I'll draw people into my thread any way I see fit ... thank you!
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
now if can just get you stop saying 'retard' ina derogatory mannner, my work will be done.
I know...
I'll desist.
_________________ cirlces they grow and they swallow people whole half their lives they say goodnight to wives they'll never know got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul and so it goes
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punkdavid wrote:
genxgirl wrote:
thank you mr lawyer man...
now if can just get you stop saying 'retard' ina derogatory mannner, my work will be done.
I know...
I'll desist.
Do a search, and you'll see I haven't done it since your thread.
How many H's in "retahhhded?"
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
now if can just get you stop saying 'retard' ina derogatory mannner, my work will be done.
I know...
I'll desist.
Do a search, and you'll see I haven't done it since your thread.
How many H's in "retahhhded?"
I'm going to search now...gotta keep you honest...wait, you a a mod and you post like a madman...I don't have that kind of time.
and there are as many h's in retaahhhhhhhhded as you want...depends on how stupid you want to sound...or it depends on what part of Boston you are from...
_________________ cirlces they grow and they swallow people whole half their lives they say goodnight to wives they'll never know got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul and so it goes
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
genxgirl wrote:
just_b wrote:
How many H's in "retahhhded?"
I'm going to search now...gotta keep you honest...wait, you a a mod and you post like a madman...I don't have that kind of time.
and there are as many h's in retaahhhhhhhhded as you want...depends on how stupid you want to sound...or it depends on what part of Boston you are from...
Well, I thought that if you were gonna call punkdavid on his claim, you'd hafta search for:
retarded
retahded
retahhded
retahhhded
etc....
But his last use of the word "retarded" was Sunday: "this whole thing is kind of retarded." in the run-away bride thread, so it's actually much easier to bust him than I thought.
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