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this could open a can of worms but this might get everyone thinking and the worms have to come out eventually.
there seems to 3 main schools of thought;
1.man is inherently evil and each generation gets worse and this leads to generations looking back to the "good old days". children are born evil and are selfish from the very beginning. children are don't need to be taught to be disobedient for example.
2.man is inherently good and each child is born innocent. the corrupting influence is its environment and if the enviornment and his or her emotions are dealt with then the child will be well adjusted.
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asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
this could open a can of worms but this might get everyone thinking and the worms have to come out eventually.
there seems to 3 main schools of thought;
1.man is inherently evil and each generation gets worse and this leads to generations looking back to the "good old days". children are born evil and are selfish from the very beginning. children are don't need to be taught to be disobedient for example.
2.man is inherently good and each child is born innocent. the corrupting influence is its environment and if the enviornment and his or her emotions are dealt with then the child will be well adjusted.
3.there is no such thing as good or evil.
where do you stand?
I guess "good" and "evil" needs to be defined first. I do know babies are selfish and need to be socialized, yet I can't say that makes them "evil". It merely helps them to survive. I think people are generally "good".
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Man is an animal and an animal wants to survive...
Also I must ask...what is good and evil? They have different meanings where ever you go. Some would say there is no such thing, unless you want to judge other people's behavior.
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
Man is an animal and an animal wants to survive...
Also I must ask...what is good and evil? They have different meanings where ever you go. Some would say there is no such thing, unless you want to judge other people's behavior.
Evil is money.
Animals arent evil, they only do what they need todo to survive, animals
dont know what money is.
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Hinny wrote:
What are the worms doing in the can to begin with?
I go with 3.
They're for eating I presume.
I go with 3 also.
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:46 am Posts: 437 Location: australia kyao (melbourne)
yep the worms taste good......
i struggle with the man is basically good theory. i haven't seen that in reality and seen too many negatives done by man. 1 or 3 to me seem the only plausible alternatives.
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Since the concept of "Good" and "Evil" is derived from man, only "man" can tell, right?.. In that case we are both. it's only an opinion question that can't be factually answered.
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I'm gonna go with #2. I think everybody is clearly innocent at birth, and I do think some of the corrupting influences of society are clearly evil. It seems that no matter who you are, there are things that people do that you believe are clearly wrong.
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LikeAnOcean wrote:
Since the concept of "Good" and "Evil" is derived from man, only "man" can tell, right?.. In that case we are both. it's only an opinion question that can't be factually answered.
and I think your opinion is right
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
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i believe innocence is not having remembered yet. we're all ancient spirits and this is not our first time here. but that doesn't mean we're essencially good or evil, because there's no such thing as essencial good or evil. good and evil are relative concepts, you can only perceive one through the other. i'm taking into consideration that we live in a three-dimensional world, ie, a relative world. and, depending on the circunstances, good can be bad, and vice-versa. i always remember the story of the starving vampire: if you don't let him feed on your blood, he'll die, so you're being bad to him. but if you let him feed on you, you die, and by being good to him, you're being bad to yourself. dead-end situation. but, i also believe there's is essencial good and essencial evil at a higher level, outside the boundaries of this dimension. somehow we are born knowing that somethings are good or bad. but, being in a relative world, i believe that what matters is meaning good, the intention you put in your actions (when they say here "hell is crowded with good intentions" i don't believe it's true; and i don't believe in hell itself, we create our own private hell; hell is consequence). i think that's the only thing we can do, cause we can never know what is good or bad to a person (think of the so many times you thought you were doing good and it went the other way around...). there's another thing i've noticed: bad is easy. i'ts easier to hurt, to destroy, to let it dirty, you know? good always demands an effort. it's something to fight for. that's my opinion.
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