WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under 18 when they committed their crimes, ending a practice used in 19 states.
The 5-4 decision throws out the death sentences of about 70 juvenile murderers and bars states from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.
The executions, the court said, violate the Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment.
The ruling continues the court's practice of narrowing the scope of the death penalty, which justices reinstated in 1976. The court in 1988 outlawed executions for those 15 and younger when they committed their crimes. Three years ago justices banned executions of the mentally retarded.
Tuesday's ruling prevents states from making 16- and 17-year-olds eligible for execution.
"The age of 18 is the point where society draws the line for many purposes between childhood and adulthood. It is, we conclude, the age at which the line for death eligibility ought to rest," Justice Anthony Kennedy (news - web sites) wrote.
Juvenile offenders have been put to death in recent years in only a few other countries, including Iran (news - web sites), Pakistan, China and Saudi Arabia. Kennedy cited international opposition to the practice.
"It is proper that we acknowledge the overwhelming weight of international opinion against the juvenile death penalty, resting in large part on the understanding that the instability and emotional imbalance of young people may often be a factor in the crime," he wrote.
Kennedy noted most states don't allow the execution of juvenile killers and those that do use the penalty infrequently. The trend, he said, is to abolish the practice because "our society views juveniles ... as categorically less culpable than the average criminal."
In a dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia (news - web sites) disputed that there is a clear trend of declining juvenile executions to justify a growing consensus against the practice.
"The court says in so many words that what our people's laws say about the issue does not, in the last analysis, matter: 'In the end our own judgment will be brought to bear on the question of the acceptability of the death penalty,'" he wrote.
"The court thus proclaims itself sole arbiter of our nation's moral standards," Scalia wrote.
The Supreme Court has permitted states to impose capital punishment since 1976 and more than 3,400 inmates await execution in the 38 states that allow death sentences.
Justices were called on to draw an age line in death cases after Missouri's highest court overturned the death sentence given to Christopher Simmons, who was 17 when he kidnapped a neighbor, hog-tied her and threw her off a bridge in 1993. Prosecutors say he planned the burglary and killing of Shirley Crook and bragged that he could get away with it because of his age.
The four most liberal justices had already gone on record in 2002, calling it "shameful" to execute juvenile killers. Those four, joined by Kennedy, formed Tuesday's decision: Justices John Paul Stevens (news - web sites), David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg (news - web sites) and Stephen Breyer (news - web sites).
Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, Justice Clarence Thomas (news - web sites) and Scalia, as expected, voted to uphold the executions. They were joined by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites).
The 19 states allow executions for people under age 18 are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Utah, Texas and Virginia.
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Fricking heck, like a 14 year old doesn't know not to kill. Give me a break. It's not unusual, and it's no more cruel than what they have done to someone else.
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punkdavid wrote:
Iran, Pakistan, China, and Saudi Arabia. 'Nuff said.
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Don't get all high and mighty like we're better than them. We still kill the mentally handicapped.
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just_b wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Iran, Pakistan, China, and Saudi Arabia. 'Nuff said.
--PunkDavid
Don't get all high and mighty like we're better than them. We still kill the mentally handicapped.
Quote:
The ruling continues the court's practice of narrowing the scope of the death penalty, which justices reinstated in 1976. The court in 1988 outlawed executions for those 15 and younger when they committed their crimes. Three years ago justices banned executions of the mentally retarded.
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punkdavid wrote:
just_b wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Iran, Pakistan, China, and Saudi Arabia. 'Nuff said.
--PunkDavid
Don't get all high and mighty like we're better than them. We still kill the mentally handicapped.
Quote:
The ruling continues the court's practice of narrowing the scope of the death penalty, which justices reinstated in 1976. The court in 1988 outlawed executions for those 15 and younger when they committed their crimes. Three years ago justices banned executions of the mentally retarded.
--PunkDavid
Damn, I could have sworn that went the other way. I didn't even read the whole article that I posted.
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Estranged wrote:
StyrofoamChicken wrote:
If you can't legally buy cigarettes, porn, or vote, the state shouldn't legally kill you.
I completely disagree.
Completely? You don't agree even the littlest bit?
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punkdavid wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
I'm against the death penalty, but I also disagree with this ruling.
You want to flesh that out a bit more?
--PunkDavid
Sure.
I believe that pre-meditated murder can span into young ages, and that by the time you're 17, and perhaps younger, you should know that murder is wrong. If you're going to have the law on the book, I don't feel that it should be age-restrictive (unless, of course, the law is written otherwise).
I guess I should also explain that I feel the same about this ruling as I would about the anti-smoing laws in public places. I philosophically disagree with it, but since I'm against the death penalty, it's not one that I'm going to complain about a lot.
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Another instance of the courts taking away state's rights. If the majority of people in those states voted on and want this, why does ONE judge get to decide this for all those people?
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sleightofhandpj wrote:
Another instance of the courts taking away state's rights. If the majority of people in those states voted on and want this, why does ONE judge get to decide this for all those people?
Are we back to this argument again?
Regardless of the individual merits of this case, IT IS THE JOB OF JUDGES to make sure that popular majorities don't overstep their bounds and do something that is contrary to a higher law or the Constitution. Majority does not RULE in America, and it shouldn't.
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punkdavid wrote:
sleightofhandpj wrote:
Another instance of the courts taking away state's rights. If the majority of people in those states voted on and want this, why does ONE judge get to decide this for all those people?
Are we back to this argument again?
Regardless of the individual merits of this case, IT IS THE JOB OF JUDGES to make sure that popular majorities don't overstep their bounds and do something that is contrary to a higher law or the Constitution. Majority does not RULE in America, and it shouldn't.
--PunkDavid
So it is a 15 year olds constitutional right to kill someone and live?
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sleightofhandpj wrote:
Another instance of the courts taking away state's rights. If the majority of people in those states voted on and want this, why does ONE judge get to decide this for all those people?
Actually, it wasn't one judge. It was five justices.
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sleightofhandpj wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
sleightofhandpj wrote:
Another instance of the courts taking away state's rights. If the majority of people in those states voted on and want this, why does ONE judge get to decide this for all those people?
Are we back to this argument again?
Regardless of the individual merits of this case, IT IS THE JOB OF JUDGES to make sure that popular majorities don't overstep their bounds and do something that is contrary to a higher law or the Constitution. Majority does not RULE in America, and it shouldn't.
--PunkDavid
So it is a 15 year olds constitutional right to kill someone and live?
Apparently it is. Take it up with the seven Republicans on the Supreme Court.
Perhaps you missed the part in my last post that said "regardless of the individual merits of THIS case".
--PunkDavid
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sleightofhandpj wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
sleightofhandpj wrote:
Another instance of the courts taking away state's rights. If the majority of people in those states voted on and want this, why does ONE judge get to decide this for all those people?
Are we back to this argument again?
Regardless of the individual merits of this case, IT IS THE JOB OF JUDGES to make sure that popular majorities don't overstep their bounds and do something that is contrary to a higher law or the Constitution. Majority does not RULE in America, and it shouldn't.
--PunkDavid
So it is a 15 year olds constitutional right to kill someone and live?
It really shouldn't be our job to kill anyone. But that's another argument.
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This is good news.
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