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Fireworks Likely When NASA Blows Up Comet

By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer
1 hour, 59 minutes ago

Not all dazzling fireworks displays will be on Earth this Independence Day. NASA hopes to shoot off its own celestial sparks in an audacious mission that will blast a stadium-sized hole in a comet half the size of Manhattan. It would give astronomers their first peek at the inside of one of these heavenly bodies.

If all goes as planned, the Deep Impact spacecraft will release a wine barrel-sized probe on a suicide journey, hurtling toward the comet Tempel 1 — about 80 million miles away from Earth at the time of impact.

"It's a bullet trying to hit a second bullet with a third bullet in the right place at the right time," said Rick Grammier, project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena.

Scientists hope the July 4 collision will gouge a crater in the comet's surface large enough to reveal its pristine core and perhaps yield cosmic clues to the origin of the solar system.

NASA's fleet of space-based observatories — including the Hubble, Spitzer and Chandra telescopes — along with an army of ground-based telescopes around the world are expected to record the impact and resulting crater.

The big question is: What kind of fireworks can sky-gazers expect to see from Earth?

Scientists do not know yet. But if the probe hits the bull's-eye, the impact could temporarily light up the comet as much as 40 times brighter than normal, possibly making it visible to the naked eye in parts of the Western Hemisphere.

"We're getting closer by the minute," Andrew Dantzler, the director of NASA's solar system division, said earlier this month. "I'm looking forward to a great encounter on the Fourth of July."

If the $333 million mission is successful, Deep Impact will be the first spacecraft to touch the surface of a comet. In 2004, NASA's Stardust craft flew within 147 miles of Comet Wild 2 on its way back to Earth carrying interstellar dust samples.

Scientists say Deep Impact has real science value that will hopefully answer basic questions about the solar system's birth.

Comets — frozen balls of dirty ice, rocks and dust — are leftover building blocks of the solar system after a cloud of gas and dust condensed to form the sun and planets 4 1/2 billion years ago. As comets arc around the sun, their surfaces heat up so that only their frozen interiors possess original space material.

Very little is known about comets and even less is known about their primordial cores. What exactly will happen when Tempel 1 is hit on the Fourth of July is anybody's guess. Scientists believe that the impact will form a circular depression that will eject a cone-shaped plume of debris into space.

But not to worry. NASA guarantees that its experiment will not significantly change the comet's orbit nor will the smash-up put the comet or any remnants of it on a collision course with Earth.

Discovered in 1867, Tempel 1 is a short-period comet, meaning that it moves around the sun in an elliptical orbit between Mars and Jupiter and can be sighted every six or so years.

The Deep Impact spacecraft shares the same name as a 1998 Hollywood disaster movie about a comet headed straight for Earth. NASA says that the names for the space mission and blockbuster movie were arrived at independently around the same time and by pure coincidence.

The spacecraft blasted off from Cape Canaveral, Fla., in mid-January to make its six-month, 268 million-mile voyage. In March, scientists got a scare when test images from one of Deep Impact's telescopes were slightly out of focus. The problem was fixed, and a month later, Deep Impact took its first picture of Tempel 1 from 40 million miles away, revealing a big snowball of dirty ice and rock. Last week, scientists processed the first images of the comet's bright core taken from 20 million miles away, which should help the probe zero in on its target.

The real action starts in the early morning of July 3 (Eastern time) when the spacecraft separates, releasing an 820-pound copper probe called the "impactor" on a one-way trip straight into the path of the comet. During the next 22 hours, mission control at Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena will steer both craft toward Tempel 1.

Two hours before the July 4 encounter, the impactor kicks into autopilot, relying on its self-navigating software and thrusters for the rest of the journey to steer toward the sunlit part of the comet's nucleus so that space and Earth-based telescopes can get the best view.

Meanwhile, the spacecraft — with its high-resolution camera ready — will veer out of harm's way some 5,000 miles away, as it stakes out a ringside seat for recording the collision. The spacecraft will make its closest flyby minutes after impact, approaching within 310 miles.

The collision is expected to occur around 1:52 a.m. EDT when the comet, traveling through space at 6 miles per second, runs over the impactor, which will be shooting some of the most close-up pictures of Tempel 1 up until its death.

Grammier has likened it to standing in the middle of the road and being hit by a semi-truck going 23,000 mph — "you know, just bam!" The energy produced by the crash will be like detonating nearly 5 tons of TNT.

The high-speed collision is expected to excavate a crater that can range anywhere from the size of a house to a football stadium, and from two to 14 stories deep. A spew of ice and dust debris will likely shoot out from the newly formed hole, possibly revealing a glimpse of the comet's core.

Scientists say if the comet is porous like a sponge, the impact should produce a stadium-sized crater about 150 feet deep and 650 feet wide. This suggests that the comet's inside holds some of the pristine material of the early solar system.

But if the comet is packed like a snowball, the crater formed would be much smaller. Another scenario is that the comet is so porous that most of the impactor's energy is absorbed, creating an even smaller but deep crater.

The mothership has less than 15 minutes to snap images from the cosmic collision and resulting crater before it's bombarded with a blizzard of debris. Scientists expect to receive near real-time data from the impactor and spacecraft.

"We get one chance," said Michael A'Hearn, a professor of astronomy at the University of Maryland and Deep Impact principal investigator.

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On the Net:

Deep Impact page: http://www.nasa.gov/deepimpact

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This sounds pretty fascinating. I guess it's far enough away that it won't hurt us or anything, though it still sounds kinda crazy. I'm amazed that they can do shit like this and steer ships that are 80 million miles away, not to mention receive realtime data from them? Why isn't my internet that fast? :lol:

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I think this does sound really interesting, and I love astronomy and the like. However, is it justifiable to spend 300+ million on it? I don't think so.

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Go_State wrote:
I think this does sound really interesting, and I love astronomy and the like. However, is it justifiable to spend 300+ million on it? I don't think so.


Yeah can't we just get Bruce Willis to do it? And on that note, did they name the program Deep Impact after that shitty comet movie they made to compete with Armageddon?


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Go_State wrote:
I think this does sound really interesting, and I love astronomy and the like. However, is it justifiable to spend 300+ million on it? I don't think so.


If you knew how much the space program has impacted your life you would probably look at the investment as minimal.

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I wonder if they think the comet is going to hit Earth, they're trying to destroy it or knock it off course, and they just don't want to tell us that b/c we'd panic?

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I wonder if they think the comet is going to hit Earth, they're trying to destroy it or knock it off course, and they just don't want to tell us that b/c we'd panic?


It'll just burn up in the atmosphere and what's left will be no bigger than a chihuahua's head.


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I wonder if they think the comet is going to hit Earth, they're trying to destroy it or knock it off course, and they just don't want to tell us that b/c we'd panic?


It'll just burn up in the atmosphere and what's left will be no bigger than a chihuahua's head.


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I wonder if they think the comet is going to hit Earth, they're trying to destroy it or knock it off course, and they just don't want to tell us that b/c we'd panic?


It'll just burn up in the atmosphere and what's left will be no bigger than a chihuahua's head.


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The scariest this is that this is EXACTLY what dad predicted.


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deathbyflannel wrote:
Go_State wrote:
I think this does sound really interesting, and I love astronomy and the like. However, is it justifiable to spend 300+ million on it? I don't think so.


If you knew how much the space program has impacted your life you would probably look at the investment as minimal.


I know the space program has produced some amazing things. I have no problems with the money that has been spent on it in the past. I just don't see the point right now when there are so many things that need financial backing here on earth. I don't see any way that blowing up a comet is going to really make a difference here, other than giving people some more info to theorize about. What next? The President claiming we're going to Mars? Oh wait...

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Go_State wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
Go_State wrote:
I think this does sound really interesting, and I love astronomy and the like. However, is it justifiable to spend 300+ million on it? I don't think so.


If you knew how much the space program has impacted your life you would probably look at the investment as minimal.


I know the space program has produced some amazing things. I have no problems with the money that has been spent on it in the past. I just don't see the point right now when there are so many things that need financial backing here on earth. I don't see any way that blowing up a comet is going to really make a difference here, other than giving people some more info to theorize about. What next? The President claiming we're going to Mars? Oh wait...


I am going to assume that your argument is couched upon the belief that we have accomplished quite a bit in space, but these advances have stagnated and we have pressing issues to attend to on earth. This is precisely the reason we should finance the space program. You are surrounded by the conviences that Space Exploration has afforded you, everything from the microprocessor you use to post on this board to the LCD displays many have (and others want for HDTV) were developed for the space program, and this forgoes the innumerable advances in communications. It reminds me of the a quote by the Director of the U.S. Patent office at the turn of the 20th century, "everythng that could be invented has been invented".


Without science there is no progress, and I can see your point. Perhaps we are at the stage were society is attempting to adapt to new technologies and we should address these tensions before proceeding, but perhaps not. My theory is that a better understanding of the universe is an inherently beneficial to humankind, no knowledge (no matter how trivial) is wasted because we can apply it to exploration. Looking back on how relativley insignificant the earth is should give us pause, we stop seeing things solely selfish singular perspective and realize our the pointlessness of our conflicts. Goodnight. 8)

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We've had this debate before.
http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewt ... 870#331870

I side with Go_State.

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B wrote:
We've had this debate before.
http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewt ... 870#331870

I side with Go_State.


I agree with the statements you make regarding NASA. It is a beauracratic beast which needs to be quietly put to sleep. Government assisted private enterprises are the immediate future as they will operate within the capitalistic boundaries of cost. I believe the government shoulde only excercise its power in this area when it is absolutely impossible for the private sector to accomplish the same goal.

The most pertinent issue is that of whether NASA will decide to quietly take a backseat to these advances. The space industry in the United States has been carried by the agency and they will refuse to let commercial enterprises usurp them in any capacity. This is evident in their policy which charges ridiculous prices for the launch of civilian spacecraft, (its 50,000 dollars to even discuss this type of activity with NASA). As we have seen with the X-Prize competition, the industry will simply relocate to areas where NASA cannot restrict them (Arizona, New Mexico, and Alaska are poised to do so).

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