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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:15 am 
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Oh sweet jesus...let the book burning begin.

The entire series of books is about good versus evil--the central idea to Christianity--yet somehow the pope thinks the HP books are destructive to the message of Christianity.

The HP books also encourage imagination and belief in the unknown (magic and magic users) and that imagination could allow children to better accept the mysteries of Faith in God.

Additionally the entire series of books has ben an amazing boon to encouraging kids to read. Just seeing those 10 year olds hugging their brand new 800 page Harry Potter book makes me want to jump for joy.

Reading is the gateway to knowledge, and Rowling has my accolades for opening that gate to millions of children.

Finally, since more kids are excited to read, more would then be likely to pick up the bible and read it (it does have some good stories) but apparantly the pope does not want anyone reading or thinking for him/herselves.

I have my new HP book preordered, so I'll let you know on Saturday if I become a devil worshipper or not...


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Pope Opposes Harry Potter Novels - Signed Letters from Cardinal Ratzinger Now Online

RIMSTING, Germany, July 13, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - LifeSiteNews.com has obtained and made available online copies of two letters sent by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was recently elected Pope, to a German critic of the Harry Potter novels. In March 2003, a month after the English press throughout the world falsely proclaimed that Pope John Paul II approved of Harry Potter, the man who was to become his successor sent a letter to a Gabriele Kuby outlining his agreement with her opposition to J.K. Rowling's offerings. (See below for links to scanned copies of the letters signed by Cardinal Ratzinger.)

As the sixth issue of Rowling's Harry Potter series - Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - is about to be released, the news that Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger expressed serious reservations about the novels is now finally being revealed to the English-speaking world still under the impression the Vatican approves the Potter novels.

In a letter dated March 7, 2003 Cardinal Ratzinger thanked Kuby for her "instructive" book Harry Potter - gut oder böse (Harry Potter- good or evil?), in which Kuby says the Potter books corrupt the hearts of the young, preventing them from developing a properly ordered sense of good and evil, thus harming their relationship with God while that relationship is still in its infancy.

"It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly," wrote Cardinal Ratzinger.

The letter also encouraged Kuby to send her book on Potter to the Vatican prelate who quipped about Potter during a press briefing which led to the false press about the Vatican support of Potter. At a Vatican press conference to present a study document on the New Age in April 2003, one of the presenters - Fr. Peter Fleedwood - made a positive comment on the Harry Potter books in response to a question from a reporter. Headlines such as "Pope Approves Potter" (Toronto Star), "Pope Sticks Up for Potter Books" (BBC), "Harry Potter Is Ok With The Pontiff" (Chicago Sun Times) and "Vatican: Harry Potter's OK with us" (CNN Asia) littered the mainstream media.

In a second letter sent to Kuby on May 27, 2003, Cardinal Ratzinger "gladly" gave his permission to Kuby to make public "my judgement about Harry Potter."

The most prominent Potter critic in North America, Catholic novelist and painter Michael O'Brien commented to LifeSiteNews.com on the "judgement" of now-Pope Benedict saying, "This discernment on the part of Benedict XVI reveals the Holy Father's depth and wide ranging gifts of spiritual discernment." O'Brien, author of a book dealing with fantasy literature for children added, "it is consistent with many of the statements he's been making since his election to the Chair of Peter, indeed for the past 20 years - a probing accurate read of the massing spiritual warfare that is moving to a new level of struggle in western civilization. He is a man in whom a prodigious intellect is integrated with great spiritual gifts. He is the father of the universal church and we would do well to listen to him."


English translations of the two letters by Cardinal Ratzinger follow:

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Vatican City
March 7, 2003


Esteemed and dear Ms. Kuby!

Many thanks for your kind letter of February 20th and the informative book which you sent me in the same mail. It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly.

I would like to suggest that you write to Mr. Peter Fleedwood, (Pontifical Council of Culture, Piazza S. Calisto 16, I00153 Rome) directly and to send him your book.

Sincere Greetings and Blessings,

+ Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger


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Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Vatican City
May 27, 2003

Esteemed and dear Ms. Kuby,


Somehow your letter got buried in the large pile of name-day , birthday and Easter mail. Finally this pile is taken care of, so that I can gladly allow you to refer to my judgment about Harry Potter.


Sincere Greetings and Blessings,

+ Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger


Links to the scanned copies of the two signed letters by Cardinal Ratzinger (in German) - In PDF format:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005_docs/ratzingerlet...
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005_docs/ratzingerper...

See LifeSite's Harry Potter resource section at:
http://www.lifesite.net/features/harrypotter/


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05071301.html

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Its hilarious to think that more children are reading these books than listening to what these greasy fat pedophiles have to say.

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Don't read that book about make-believe and magic. Read this one:

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B wrote:
Don't read that book about make-believe and magic. Read this one:

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just an "X" there sweetie...

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just an "X" there sweetie...


Shouldn't everyone have free access to pictures of bibles?

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GodHatesPeopleWhoCanReadandThink.com

I think they are affiliated with godhatesgfags.com

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GodHatesPeopleWhoCanReadandThink.com

I think they are affiliated with godhatesgfags.com


I actually tried the URL. :oops:

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B wrote:
genxgirl wrote:
GodHatesPeopleWhoCanReadandThink.com

I think they are affiliated with godhatesgfags.com


I actually tried the URL. :oops:


payback's a bitch...

:lol:

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The Pope = Lame, and not worth paying attention too anyway.


Interesting, CS Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia are just fine.

This is what the Catholic Church wanted, this is what they get.

Then again, when you have to compete with protestant fundamentalist baptists, it's tough. I understand thier plight.


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And the Catholic Church continues its slow path into irrelevancy.

I'll be right in line with all the kiddies on Friday Night to get the new Harry Potter book.


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JK Rowling appreciates the contribution to book sales.


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The Pope needs to listen to some Black Metal, then he can go back and argue children's book messages.


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Electromatic wrote:
The Pope = Lame, and not worth paying attention too anyway.


Interesting, CS Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia are just fine.

This is what the Catholic Church wanted, this is what they get.

Then again, when you have to compete with protestant fundamentalist baptists, it's tough. I understand thier plight.


I was thinking the same thing about The Chronicles of Narnia--Aslan is such a god figure, I can't imagine how they have not banned that as "worshipping false idols".

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I'll be right in line with all the kiddies on Friday Night to get the new Harry Potter book.


Me too.

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genxgirl wrote:
GodHatesPeopleWhoCanReadandThink.com

I think they are affiliated with godhatesgfags.com


I actually tried the URL. :oops:


What is most scary here is that B thought my facetious remark was a real website.

I'm not sure, does this say something about the state of politics in the US or does that say something about B?

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I am going to buy Harry Potter tomorrow.

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I am going to buy Harry Potter tomorrow.


I'm going to buy it at midnight tomorrow...but I'll let the kiddies in line ahead of me.

I can't wait...what a fucking phenomenon Rowling has created. I am SO jealous.

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genxgirl wrote:
B wrote:
genxgirl wrote:
GodHatesPeopleWhoCanReadandThink.com

I think they are affiliated with godhatesgfags.com


I actually tried the URL. :oops:


What is most scary here is that B thought my facetious remark was a real website.

I'm not sure, does this say something about the state of politics in the US or does that say something about B?


Hey, if http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/ is a real website ...

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